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A Private Letter Written By General Jackson, on the 1st of May, 1833 (Supports Trump on Secession)
Civil War Causes ^ | May 1, 1833 | Andrew Jackson

Posted on 05/02/2017 10:35:35 AM PDT by xzins

A Private Letter Written By General Jackson, on the 1st of May, 1833,

to Rev. A.J. Crawford

Washington, May 1st, 1833

My Dear Sir---

I have just received your letter of the 6th ultimo, and have only time in reply to say that General Coffee well understood Mr. Shackleford, and urged your nomination in his stead. I had nominated you; but, on the serious importunity of Col King, your Senator, with General Coffee, the change was adopted, and you nominated for the office you now fill.

The Senate cannot remove you, and I am sure your faithfullness and honesty will never permit you to do an act that will give good cause for your removal; and, if Moor and Poindexter discovered that you were related to me, that would be sufficient cause for them to reject you. Therefore it is, that I let well enough alone, although I know it would be a convenience to you to be located where you are; still a rejection by the Senate might prove a greater inconvenience, and, for the reasons assigned, it was not done.

I have had a laborious task here; but nullification is dead, and its actors and courtiers will only be remembered by the people to be execrated for their wicked designs to sever and destroy the only good government on the globe, and that prosperity and happiness we enjoy over every other portion of the world. Haman's gallows ought to be the fate of all such ambitious men, who would involve the country in civil war, and all the evils in its train, that they might reign and ride on its whirlwinds, and direct the storm. The free people of these United States have spoken, and consigned these demagogues to their proper doom. Take care of your nullifiers you have amongst you. Let them meet the indignant frowns of every man who loves his country. The tariff, it is now known, was a mere pretext. Its burthen was on your coarse woolens---by the law of July, 1832, coarse woolen was reduced to five per cent. for the benefit of the South. Mr. Clay's bill takes it up and classes it with woolens at 50 per cent., reduces it gradually down to 20 per cent., and there it is to remain, and Mr. Calhoun and all the nullifiers agree to the principle. The cash duties and home valuation will be equal to 15 per cent. more, and after the year 1842, you pay on coarse woolens 35 per cent.

If this is not protection, I cannot understand. Therefore the tariff was only the pretext, and disunion and a Southern confederacy the real object. The next pretext will be the negro, or slavery, question.

My health is not good, but is improving a little. Present me kindly to your lady and family, and believe me to be your friend. I will always be happy to hear from you.

Andrew Jackson

The Rev. Andrew J. Crawford


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: americanhistory; andrewjackson; civilwar; jackson; presidents; secession; trump; trump45
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1 posted on 05/02/2017 10:35:35 AM PDT by xzins
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If this is not protection, I cannot understand. Therefore the tariff was only the pretext, and disunion and a Southern confederacy the real object. The next pretext will be the negro, or slavery, question.

Jackson did not support slavery as a pretext for secession.

2 posted on 05/02/2017 10:36:35 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory.)
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Trump’s actual words:

Trump’s actual words:

“The people of Tennessee are amazing people.”

“Well, they love Andrew Jackson.”

“They love Andrew Jackson in Tennessee.”

“”I mean, had Andrew Jackson been a little later, you wouldn’t have had the Civil War,”

“He was a very tough person,

but he had a big heart.

He was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War. He said there’s no reason for this.””

“People don’t realize, you know, the Civil War, if you think about it, why?” “People don’t ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?”


3 posted on 05/02/2017 10:37:53 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory.)
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Actual Life of Andrew Jackson:

“After serving two terms as president, Jackson retired to his Hermitage plantation in 1837.,[147] and immediately began putting it in order as it had been poorly managed in his absence by his adopted son, Andrew Jr. Although he suffered ill health, Jackson remained influential in both national and state politics.[147] He was a firm advocate of the federal union of the states and rejected any talk of secession, insisting, “I will die with the Union.”[148] Blamed for causing the Panic of 1837, he was unpopular in his early retirement.[147] Jackson continued to denounce the “perfidy and treachery” of banks and urged his successor, Van Buren, to repudiate the Specie Circular as president.[147]”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson#Later_life_and_death


4 posted on 05/02/2017 10:39:22 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory.)
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You mean the Lying Left lied again???

If you’re the Lying Left, you lie. It’s what you do.


5 posted on 05/02/2017 10:39:55 AM PDT by Jim 0216
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Jackson would have crushed the Rebellion in it's cradle.
6 posted on 05/02/2017 10:43:48 AM PDT by cowboyusa
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To: Jim 0216

Yes, the lackey’s in the media misreport Trump’s words and they misreport Jackson’s history.


7 posted on 05/02/2017 10:45:49 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory.)
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To: cowboyusa

Yep. He didn’t mess around.

He says in 1833 that they’d used “slavery” as a pretext for secession.

Trump is so right.


8 posted on 05/02/2017 10:47:06 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory.)
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Wouldn’t you love to see a Geico ad, “If you’re the Lying Left, you lie. It’s what you do.”


9 posted on 05/02/2017 10:49:28 AM PDT by Jim 0216
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It’s a lot to hope for...but I’m hoping to see such an ad some day.


10 posted on 05/02/2017 10:50:33 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory.)
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HOW DARE HE!!!! /S


11 posted on 05/02/2017 10:51:15 AM PDT by dp0622 (IThe only thing an upper crust Conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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Almost all the reports from the usual suspects hold up the line that the President said Jackson could have averted the Civil War even though he died 16 years before the war started.

The journalists are so damn dumb that I have to force myself to climb down into their mind stink to read what they have to say.

The 1861 start of that war was merely the last step in a long line of steps going back decades preceding the lead up to it.

How damn dumb can reporters be?

President Trump is merely pointing out that Andrew Jackson was in a position to sidestep the path leading to that war that broke out 16 years later and that he, President Trump, can see steps that could have been taken to avert that war.

Historians do this kind of post-factual analysis all the time. But when Donald Trump does it, he gets insulted with pestilent commentary that reveals the small minds spewing it forth.

Keep it up reporters! You make yourselves objects of ridicule with each passing day.


12 posted on 05/02/2017 10:53:56 AM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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Well stated.


13 posted on 05/02/2017 10:58:44 AM PDT by Midnitethecat
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To: xzins
And this is the man whose portrait the Democrats want removed from the money.
14 posted on 05/02/2017 10:59:46 AM PDT by quadrant (1o)
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Historians do this kind of post-factual analysis all the time. But when Donald Trump does it, he gets insulted with pestilent commentary that reveals the small minds spewing it forth.

Exactly. Any other person, and they can speculate on causes of the Civil War evident during the Revolutionary War.

Let Trump comment on that and all of a sudden he'd be mocked as saying that the Marquis de Lafayette caused the Civil War.

15 posted on 05/02/2017 11:07:21 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory.)
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To: quadrant

He does sound a bit Trumpian, though, doesn’t he?

Someday for fun we should put the face of Trump on the $20 bill.


16 posted on 05/02/2017 11:08:33 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory.)
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...it was insanity on a level not seen before or since. Brother’s lining up to kill brothers, Father’s lining up to kill sons, American Citizen lining up to do battle with another American Citizen and run a bayonet through him.

All ostensibly to save the union? To save Slavery? To save a way of life? What?


17 posted on 05/02/2017 11:12:51 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: dp0622

Just finished watching all three parts of Andrew Curtis’ documentary “The Trap”. While I don’t agree with his conclusions in the end I do think it is a great review of the political theories undermining the last couple of decades. Especially the roles of folks like Nash and Berlin in defining just what words like Freedom and Liberty actually mean and how politicians have screwed up time and again by endorsing the ideas that gummint could intervene in these areas in a productive way. The same nebulous force prevents such delusions as informs my tag line...


18 posted on 05/02/2017 11:15:09 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: cowboyusa
Buchanan dithered in the four months between South Carolina's secession and Lincoln's accession to the Presidency. Had he taken immediate action against the Palmetto State, as Jackson did, Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, and Georgia would not have followed in secession. On the other hand, Lincoln could have backed off from confronting the Deep South states and retained Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Arkansas in the Union. The upper Southern states joined the Confederacy because Lincoln challenged state authority over Fort Sumter.

Slavery was less economically viable in the upper Southern states and the Border States than in the Deep South. There were strong Unionist sentiments in all these states. Both Lee and Jackson were Union men before their native Virginia seceded. Would the seven state Confederacy have prospered as a separate country? Hard to say, but the development of cotton plantation in India would have placed cheaper cotton to the British textile mills than what the reduced Confederacy could have produced, even with slavery. The Union would have placed tariffs on Confederate cotton, thus protecting cotton growers in North Carolina, Tennessee, Arkansas, and Missouri. Ditto for tobacco, not as much an issue as this crop was more prevalent in the Upper South and the Border states than in the Deep South. The Texas cattle industry would never have developed, as the Union would have placed tariffs on imported cattle to benefit cattlemen in the Midwest.

In short, a reduced independent Confederacy may have been a financial failure. However, Lincoln did not have the desire or patience to let the seceding states alone.

19 posted on 05/02/2017 11:15:51 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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“The upper Southern states joined the Confederacy because Lincoln challenged state authority over Fort Sumter.”

The proximate “cause” was Lincoln’s order for 75,000 “volunteer” state militia to help suppress the rebellious states. Before that proclamation, the Virginia legislature was deeply divided over the issue of secession and the governor had stated his intention for the state to remain neutral. After Lincoln’s initial order for three regiments from Virginia (about 5,500 men), the governor wrote to Lincoln that since the president had “chosen to inaugurate civil war, he would be sent no troops from the Old Dominion.” Lincoln’s order turned the tide in the Virginia legislature, and a vote in favor of secession quickly followed.


20 posted on 05/02/2017 12:41:00 PM PDT by riverdawg
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