Posted on 05/02/2017 8:49:03 PM PDT by dynoman
Doesn't make any difference. That 70% drop can become a 70% increase under the next president.
"Any wall all by itself is not 100%. Even solid concrete."
Doesn't have to be 100%, but it does have to be what he promised, because a man's word is his bond.
"But that steel wall is what the border agents want. Who are we to tell them they are wrong?"
I am their employer. They are wrong. Those people climbing that fence are cartel drug smugglers.
Listen, The White House attempting to spin that CR as a win and this fence as a wall is a fool's errand, and they are trying to make a fool out of me for believing them. I'm not a fool, and I do not appreciate their attempt to make me into a fool.
Find a way to do what you promised, Mr. Trump, because you will be held accountable, and if the GOP continues with this crap, they will be held accountable in 2018.
Tick, tock, tick, tock.
You’re welcome.
Trump’s budget director unveils photos of what the border wall may look like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtbhmmBQ4Ts
well said
You are one hopeless dude when it comes to understanding what walls are for, how they function, and all this project is going to entail....sheesh...never have seen someone so dense!
You can make make letters as big as you want but it STILL haven’t shown us YOUR wall.....just words yet again......I’ve shown the wall the Border men have asked for.....so go ahead....show us what YOU got....
“Doesn’t have to be 100%, but it does have to be what he promised, because a man’s word is his bond.”
1) Where did Trump say specifically and unequivocally what material the wall would be made of?
2) After discussions in the oval office with agents who actually work on the wall and recommend what was pictured in the press briefing why should anyone shove a wall they don’t want down their throats? Even if Trump made unequivocal statements about wall material (which he didn’t) can’t he change his mind when he hears what the agents want?
“I am their employer. They are wrong.”
What an elitist attitude, exactly the attitude Trump promised to drain out of the DC swamp. You really would shove a wall border agents don’t want down their throats?? That’s bizarre!
(“I am their employer. They are wrong.”....)
What an elitist attitude, exactly the attitude Trump promised to drain out of the DC swamp.
Yea, the guy thinks that he knows better than Trump how to build things....LOLOL....and knows more than the Border Patrol does.....
I have no problem with people disagreeing...but then make their case and present their evidence.....he’s got nothing!
Hmmm? What?
Get outta here, chump.
You accept that pathetic excuse of a fence if you want to. Don't expect me too.
I expect a great wall, just as he said.
I will accept nothing less.
And no, I am not an elitist. I am someone who expects others to do what they said. That is all.
That is NOT going to happen and you know it.. and knew it when you posted it.Chump...
That’s what he said he was going to build.
That’s why I’m not accepting this pathetic failure as a victory.
I’m not going to settle for BS. You can, but I’m not.
You said show you my wall, so I did, now STFU, you annoying sh!thead.
You won’t accept the wall border agents want?
That is pretty pathetic.
I expect Trump to put up the wall the border agents want. Not the one you want.
Elitism is forcing your opinion on others in spite of the fact they know better what is best. The agents told Trump in the oval office what wall they want. Trump agreed. They know far better than you what wall will work.
Well .....He’s not going to build that wall you pictured and he was smart enough to figure out why YOUR wall simply cannot happen...so Here’s some facts on why......
Only ‘one’ wall ‘in History’ has been built even remotely as the one you have pictured....it was built through land about the 2,000-mile-long as our southern border.... ....andd it was accomplished only through a ‘centuries-long’ building campaign that necessitated the forced labor of millions of Chinese peasants.
To take on a wall as you imagine and showed.... it would be one of the largest civil works projects in the history of the country and would face enormous if not impossible challenges....
Your wall would need to reach about five feet underground to deter tunneling, and would need to rise to about 20 feet above grade to deter climbing.
Because you mentioned concrete you need to consider the following:
There are two major types of concrete construction:
...cast-in-place, where wet, plastic concrete is ‘brought in trucks’ to a job site, cast into formwork, and then cured
...pre-cast concrete, where the concrete is cast in a controlled indoor environment, cured, and then ‘shipped to the construction site for assembly’.
The hot, dry climate in the border regions would complicate cast-in-place construction because high heat tends to screw up the chemical reactions that cause concrete to harden. So it would have to be pre-cast.
If we assume a border wall length of 1,954 miles (there are 600 or so miles of existing border barrier, but much of this would not qualify for the wall), then we can make some estimates as to the volume of concrete needed for the project:
Foundation: .......6 feet deep, 18 inch radius = 42.4 cubic feet
Column:............. 4 square feet area by 30 feet tall = 120 cubic feet
Wall panels:..... 25 feet tall by 10 feet long by 8 inches thick = 166.7 cubic feet
....Total concrete per 10-foot segment = 329.1 cubic feet
1,954 miles = 10,300,00 feet = 1,030,000 segments (10-feet long each)
1,030,000 segments * 329.1 cubic feet per segment = 339,000,000 cubic feet = 12,555,000 cubic yards. (The cubic yard is the standard unit of measure of concrete volume in the United States.)
So 12 million, six hundred thousand cubic yards!!.....In other words, this wall would contain over 3 times the amount of concrete used to build the Hoover Dam — that’s ‘THREE TMES’
Concrete, of course, requires reinforcing steel (or rebar)......So a reasonable estimate for the amount of rebar would be about 3 percent of the total wall size, resulting in a steel volume of 10,190,000 cubic feet, .....or about 5 BILLION pounds. ......
All of these hundreds of miles of wall would need to be cast in concrete facilities, probably project-specific ones that have been custom built near the border. Then, the pre-cast wall pieces would need to be shipped by truck.
The men and women doing the work of actually installing the wall would have to be provided with food, water, shelter, lavatory facilities, safety equipment, transportation, and medical care, and would sometimes be miles away from a population center of any size.
Added to this of course because it’s a large scale engineering projects:
surveying,... land acquisition, ...environmental review, ...geological studies,... maintenance,... excavating for foundations, and so on. ..
Not to mention the costs of a host of lawsuits that will assuredly impede this kind of work
What was in the beginning a 2,000 mile wall Trump has cahnged to a 1,000 miles since he met with those who know about these things....natural barriers etc. so be sure not to hold him to that initial miles.
The guys an idiot.........he better prepare to be gravely disappointed because HIS wall isn't going to happen. And if was paying attention he would have realized it had already been determined otherwise before he even voted for Trump.
The agents are right about being able to see through the wall....and I suspect when they do the actual border crossing areas it's going to have yet another type of barrier's etc. I' convinced this was fully investigated and researched...and likely still is as a project of this size isn't going up over night. Focusing on those areas where it's needed to stop the bulk of infiltrators...and the security of places it matters will be first on the agenda.
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