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EXCLUSIVE: Ted Cruz Suggests U.S. Military Response to Mexican Cartels
breitbart.com ^ | 12 Jun 2017

Posted on 06/12/2017 2:40:50 PM PDT by Helicondelta

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To: Helicondelta
The smarter drug cartel kingpins like El Chapo told their people to minimize the amount of assassinations and turf battles on the US side of the border, because they didn't want to give the US military an excuse to intervene. Their strategy mostly worked, very little of the violence in cities like Juarez, Laredo, or Matamoras spilled over into the US, in spite of the cities on the Mexican side being the per capita murder capitals of the world for many years.

As soon as weaker or less responsible drug lords fail to prevent mass spill-over into the US, the US will and should send special forces to wipe out the drug cartels. It's certainly a more justified use of our resources and more relevant to our national security than trying to keep the peace among warring tribes to "nation build" in Afghanistan.

81 posted on 06/13/2017 9:52:28 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: Helicondelta

Ah the fruits of prohibition.


82 posted on 06/13/2017 1:43:40 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (TETELESTI Read em and weep Lucy! Yer times almost up.)
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To: Seruzawa
Drugs are criminal for a reason.


83 posted on 06/13/2017 11:29:20 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel
Drugs are criminal for a reason.

Alcohol—the worst drug on the face of the earth by many orders of magnitude—causes more misery, domestic violence, assaults, health problems, vehicular homicides and lingering death than all "criminal" drugs combined—and yet it's not "criminal".

This is rank hypocrisy and also nanny-state Tyranny.

Nobody should face incarceration because of contraband law. When somebody actually infringes on the rights of another either intentionally or due to negligence, then a crime has occurred, and not before.

Arbitrary law is a favorite tool of Tyrannical regimes.

No thanks. I'll take actual Freedom, with all of its challenges and inconveniences, rather than being forced to choose between competing versions of nanny-state Tyranny.

Prohibition doesn't work. It didn't work with alcohol either. Tyrannical shortcuts are not legitimate, and accepting one group's Tyranny inevitably means that others' Tyrannical ideas must be accepted as well, and what you end up with is minimal Freedom, with every group bullying the rest of the People with their pet arbitrary law.

Again, no thanks. I'm not interested in what you think my pursuit of happiness should consist of. I can work that out myself, and as long as I'm not bothering anyone else—or infringing on their rights—then I have the right to be left the f--k alone.

And, in turn, I will leave you be as well. I won't tell you what you should drink or smoke, or where to do it, or what medicines or recreational substances you're allowed to possess. It's called Liberty. It's messy, but it beats Tyranny—with its illegitimate shortcuts—every time.

Supporting Prohibition means supporting the ever-expanding police state necessary enforce contraband laws, no-knock warrants, asset forfeiture, violation of privacy, and the attendant infringement on numerous Unalienable Constitutional rights.

One cannot support that and also claim to be for minimal government. The concepts are mutually exclusive. With all due respect, f--k the nanny-state and the Tyrannical horse it rode in on...

84 posted on 06/14/2017 12:11:52 AM PDT by sargon ("If we were in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, the Left would protest for zombies' rights.")
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Alcohol—the worst drug on the face of the earth by many orders of magnitude—causes more misery, domestic violence, assaults, health problems, vehicular homicides and lingering death than all "criminal" drugs combined—and yet it's not "criminal". This is rank hypocrisy and also nanny-state Tyranny. Nobody should face incarceration because of contraband law. When somebody actually infringes on the rights of another either intentionally or due to negligence, then a crime has occurred, and not before.

I agree. We need to go after drug gangs because they murder people, not because they sell drugs.

One of the many unfortunate consequences of our misguided "war on drugs" is the creation of violent drug gangs, in much the same way as prohibition enriched violent bootleggers. So they must be dealt with just as mafia-affiliated bootleggers were dealt with. The long term solution, however, is to remove the strictures that make criminal drug gangs economically lucrative and viable to begin with. After Prohibition nobody was murdered over contraband alcohol. The same is true of pot.

85 posted on 06/14/2017 10:00:52 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: American in Israel; sargon

If someone posts a photo of a drunken bum passed out on a street corner, or of some frat boy lying naked in his own drunken vomit before being taken away for a stomach pumping, will that make a strong, rational case for bringing back Prohibition and the massive law enforcement expense and apparatus that it would entail? No? Well, your photo of the crystal meth user makes about an equally “convincing” case for the War on Drugs.


86 posted on 06/14/2017 10:04:39 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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Alcohol is far less destructive than illegal drugs. Those drunken frats and bums are because a tiny percentage of adults can not control their alcohol intake. 99% do not have a problem.

100 % of heroin, meth and cocain users cannot handle drugs without permanent psycotic shifts of their brain functions, plus, its addicting. I see this as a problem. Alcohol does not cause permanent shifts of the brain dopamine receptors like most illegal drugs.

If that picture of the drunken bum using a drug one thousandth as dangerous as the drugs you wish to legalize is not so bad to you, realize the cost to society is a lot higher for other drugs. Now multiply him by a thousand in every town in America.

Sure legalizing drugs will be much more convenient to you in your race to circle the drain, but do you have to force society to pay such a high price to support your convienence?

One last try, then I leave you to your fate. Legalizing drugs in Amsterdam caused the death rate from overdoses to skyrocket along with the petty crime rate. There is a real life example.

If you are still determined to be on the legalize addicting poison band wagon, I suggest you take your Before shots while you can. Statically, you simply will not live very long compared to others.


87 posted on 06/15/2017 9:48:52 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel
Alcohol is far less destructive than illegal drugs. Those drunken frats and bums are because a tiny percentage of adults can not control their alcohol intake. 99% do not have a problem.

I have yet to be convinced that marijuana is any more destructive or addictive than alcohol - in fact, there are physiological reasons for it being less so. People don't die of THC overdoses, and (see below) THC doesn't cause the long-term physiological changes in the nervous system that alcohol does.

100 % of heroin, meth and cocain users cannot handle drugs without permanent psycotic shifts of their brain functions, plus, its addicting. I see this as a problem. Alcohol does not cause permanent shifts of the brain dopamine receptors like most illegal drugs.

I take it you've never heard of GABA receptors or seen alcoholics with the shakes. Alcohol withdrawal can be and often is more severe than opiate withdrawal - people can actually die from seizures caused by a lack of alcohol to facilitate gabaminergic inhibitory pathways, while there is no such thing as THC withdrawal.

The hypocrisy of a society that criminalizes THC use while sanctioning alcohol isn't supported by science, it's only supported by hysteria and hypocritical moralizing.

Sure legalizing drugs will be much more convenient to you in your race to circle the drain, but do you have to force society to pay such a high price to support your convienence?

What convenience is that? I don't use any drugs, nor would I use them if they were legalized, I simply don't believe that their use by others justifies the bloated police state that we live under. So much for your supposed opposition to "big government."

If you are still determined to be on the legalize addicting poison band wagon, I suggest you take your Before shots while you can. Statically, you simply will not live very long compared to others

I'd respond to this if it weren't incoherent gibberish.

88 posted on 06/16/2017 7:55:27 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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