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Americanthinker.com ^ | 8-3-2017 | Sally Zelikovsky

Posted on 08/03/2017 3:47:34 AM PDT by servo1969

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To: BlueDragon

Seriously. You need help.

I don’t know whether it’s your malignant narcissism or what, but your fantasy conclusions have outstripped my desire to respond.

I have better things to do than flame away with someone immune to any kind of reason and logic whose only response to repeated demonstrations of their own ineptitude is freewheeling aggression.

It simply makes no sense for me to engage in a conflict that defies any resolution.


81 posted on 08/10/2017 7:53:33 AM PDT by papertyger (The semantics define how we think.)
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To: papertyger

Really?

I had asked you;

You provided absolutely no answer towards that. I take it you must still think that presently a unilateral attempt on part of executive branch to impose martial law within the United States would be a good idea.

In place of reason here again you're replying upon ad hominem --- while accusing me of "being immune to reason and logic" (none of which on this thread anyway -- YOU have brought into discussion).

Keep all that crap filling your own diaper, to yourself.

Unless you want to be forced to eat some more of it?

Be seeing you around.

82 posted on 08/10/2017 12:52:06 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: BlueDragon
"...what would you propose short of imposition of martial law?"

Are you really that much of a half-wit? Since when did it become the responsibility of the one proposing a solution to come up with another more satisfactory to blanching pearl clutchers that obviously can think of no better?

Martial law WAS AND IS my solution, you moron.

It is incumbent on YOU, as the bitcher, to provide a solution short of marial law rather than give a steady stream of invectives about what a bad idea it would be.

Honestly, are you even capable of anything besides this impossible search for some sort of satisfactory rhetorical revenge for your butt-hurt?

83 posted on 08/10/2017 6:28:38 PM PDT by papertyger (The semantics define how we think.)
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To: papertyger

That is your position -- as I have continually been reminding you.

Anyone (not limited to merely myself) having reminded you of what you now (after multiple reminders) have finally gotten around to confirming --- would not equate to the one having done the continual reminding (for sake of maintaining focus upon what the subject matter of the dispute was) being as you say -- a moron.

No, it is not incumbent upon me to provide detailed solutions in order for myself to have space to point out how bad of an idea the solution you proposed truly is. We've been over this precise point, already on this thread.

It is trollish of you (or perhaps only "stupid" -- yourself not being able to remember what has been said to you) to return to that point yet again without having bothered to address what was sent to yourself in previous replies except with lies, and stuff pulled from your saggy diaper. But that's your "way". It sucks and you suck.

Nonetheless, I did offer alternative "solutions" in form of recommendation towards generalized plan of action short of imposition of martial law. Too bad you didn't notice. And here you are calling me a "dumbass"? ha. What a joke. I doubt you've had an original though in your entire life.

Your proposal would serve to empower Federal government at the expense of non-government-employ civilian populace, introducing severe reductions of freedom if enacted, far more than rein in any Congressman, and/or Senators (from saying bad things about Trump) and Federal judges rendering verdicts unfriendly to the Trump Administration's general intents.

The last sentence you wrote in your latest crap-tastic comment is another that you should read back to yourself while gazing in a mirror.

It is also very much what I've told you previously on this very thread. Yourself repeating it back to me now, in slightly altered form, simply does not work. Ya' missed me. It is you who had embarked upon the mission impossible, to salve your own butthurtS ---for having been repeatedly shown to be a fool.

I already told you how to fix your own problem. Go back through the thread. Maybe you'll find it.

I know you hate me too, but you know what else? I don't care.

I'm laughing at you, diaper-boy.

Until you change it, I always will.

What are you going to do now? Go kick your dog? Yell at anyone nearby to yourself that is incapable of kicking your ass for being such a shit?

I will tell you this. I'm done with you on this thread.

So go ahead, fling some more poo, since that's all you've had all along.

You can have a useless last word that I have no reason to expect will not be as stupid as the rest of the comments that you've posted to me here, and when we crossed paths on other recent threads.

84 posted on 08/10/2017 9:16:27 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: BlueDragon
Whatever it takes to get you to leave FruitFly.

Your mendacity at changing my response "Is there another reason to ignore the treasonous behavior of Congress members and the judiciary, let alone the machinations of the press, I'm unaware of" (when I mentioned your "lack of fortitude") to "Whjat reasoning was that? Yourself calling oppositio9n to Trump "treason"? is where this all started (at least on this particular thread).

I alluded to the treasonous ACTIONS of Congress, the Judiciary, and the Press, of which there are too many to mention without a scorecard, though they are easily accessible from any non-MSM source, and you have the fetid audacity to "reduce" that to "opposition to Trump!"

Furthermore, your every complaint against me as followed that same pattern. You either misrepresent, or lie about, what I've written, then posture like your straw man is mine.

There's no need to catalog the rest of your "psychotery," suffice to say my respect for dogs and conservative democrats prevents me from suggesting a name change to "BlueCur."

85 posted on 08/11/2017 2:19:32 AM PDT by papertyger (The semantics define how we think.)
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To: papertyger
No, that's not "where it all started", but it does go to show it's been about you being all butthurt (in addition to having lost arguments to me in the past, and yet more "stuff" on other threads you were too chickenshit to challenge me over).

Your own initial insulting reply to me (on this thread) was insufficient, falling short of the attempt you'd made to divert attention away from just how idiotic the recommendation you made at the beginning of this thread, was.

Accusing me of "lack of fortitude" at that point was ridiculous, when regarding your own proposal (Trump should impose martial law -- even right away, correct?) what I myself was more truly lacking was the foolishness that you have in abundance.

86 posted on 08/11/2017 5:15:56 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: BlueDragon

Yeah. You see it now, don’t you? You’re finally getting an inkling of just how badly you’ve played this. No amount of your blustering is going to change either of our documented statements from the earlier part of this thread.

See, you thought all this time I called you stupid just to be insulting. Nothing could be further from the truth. When I call you stupid, it’s not an insult, it’s a description.

I get no satisfaction from calling people names out of simple frustration.

Neither was my “lack of fortitude” comment intended strictly as an insult. You typify what Thomas Sowell was talking about when he said “Those who are not prepared to use force to defend civilization must be prepared to accept barbarism.” You can not stomach giving Trump the tools of martial law to work with, but neither will you propose a truly viable alternative to giving him the ability to act unilaterally.

You are the definition of “kicking the can down the road.”

I’m not surprised by that, mind you. I can easily see from your inability to expand beyond various “filled diaper” metaphors (which you got from me in the first place) a profound lack of imagination and frustration. While I, on the other hand, can continue to spit apt, insightful, analogies like a cash register spits receipts.

The simple truth is, you aren’t smart enough to have an opinion of any particular value, so while I understand it won’t do anything for your self-esteem, and wouldn’t be particularly entertaining for you, why don’t you just let the responsible adults talk without interruption. You may learn something.


87 posted on 08/12/2017 10:26:13 AM PDT by papertyger (The semantics define how we think.)
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To: papertyger
I got about this far;

It simply does not matter what you intended.

It also does not matter if I have, or somehow lack "fortitude" regarding this matter -- and it never did matter. I pointed that out to you, at least once already. It sure is tedious talking to you. You just don't "get" (that would be 'to understand some thing, or things' for those of you in Rio Linda) much of anything.

What matters is that your bright idea -- if attempted -- would produce results pretty much exactly opposite what could be hoped for. It would serve as grounds for impeachment. If it didn't, legally so -- it would be stretched into making it far enough.

I would say "bullshit", but you're just a diaper-boy, and not a bull (as far as real men go).

I see you're still living in that fantasy world wherein you imagine your own excellence. You've produced no such things. In fact, you'd tried your hand at borrowing some I had invented.

I see too that no one has come to your aid, in addition to yourself having been warned by one who had expressed sympathy for your (more than mere) suggestion, that the suggestion would not at this time, work.

And who would that be? In this, you would not be included among "responsible adults".

Here again too, it's obvious to me that you're just trying to assuage the 'ol butthurts you keep riding. I say bad things about you. It hurts your "feelings".

If you had any idea how stupid your usual arguments are -- if it came to you all at once just how wrong you are -- I do believe you just might shoot yourself.

But don't do anything that drastic. It's not necessary. Just know that you are rarely right about much of anything.

Wise up, before it's too late. Meanwhile, until you do, I'll keep using you as an example, if you simply insist that I keep having to deal with you --or else remain silent in return to your usual 'producing of crap' to post "at" me.

You have nothing to say that has not already been said and already previously sufficiently dealt with... nothing but to try to find some way for yourself to "get even".

You never will get even. You lost again. It's too late to attempt salvage any scrap of victory for yourself.

I can out-think and out-fight you any day of the week. It's only a matter of whether at any one time or not I have both the inclination and time enough to do so.

88 posted on 08/12/2017 2:30:20 PM PDT by BlueDragon (if I'd had seen 'em breezin', I woulda' set)
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To: BlueDragon
Well lets see. I accuse you of timidity in that you will neither grant Trump the tools he needs to combat the influence of corrupt federal officeholders, nor propose a viable alternative to my proposition. The whole being summarized as "kicking the can down the road."

To which you respond I would say "bullshit", but you're just a diaper-boy, and not a bull (as far as real men go).

I can certainly see where your confidence in your ability to "out-think and out-fight" me any day of the week comes from! Your mastery of both rhetoric and the intellectual pursuits is clearly a fearsome thing!

Woe unto me, for poking a person capable of such penetrating insight and humiliating rebuttal as cited above!

89 posted on 08/12/2017 4:04:36 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger

You are wrong again. And again-- we've been over that TWICE already. That's the "it's tedious dealing with you" part of things that I'd mentioned.

True to form you attempt to repeatedly re-iterate, using that as platform for dishing out 'diss' towards me. At this point, that's all this is about. Futile attempt to justify yourself (first --- to yourself, and then to anyone you could fool as successfully as you continually fool yourself).

I get the impression you may be trying to influence people here who may read only "comments" (instead of entire threads) as they scan through them --trying to convince them the mouthfuls of crap you keep spewing in my direction is not what it is.

Did I not tell you that it would only end up right back in your face? That was no bluff. And here we are, and you with the crap you fling stuck on your own face. Imagine that. Perhaps I am a prophet, for this I did foretell. Haha.

But if anyone were interested (most here are not interested in this sick conversation you and I are having-- call that an educated guess) they could backtrack, while asking themselves what they would estimate be most likely end result; if President Trump attempted to unilaterally impose martial law.

I say it would fall upon general populace far more directly than upon the intended targets which were: sketchy Federal judges, and those elected Representatives not in sync with Trump --- provided if the President attempting to do so did not lead immediately to expedited impeachment and his removal from elected office.

The so-called "causus belli" as you had claimed Trump presently has (it's spelled casus belli -- you misspelled it when you slung the phrase around as if yourself saying so made that true) is a term used in justification for war.

Leave that crap in your diaper, poo-pants, and then you won't have to keep getting taste of what you fling around, thinking that peppering some of your comments with $3 phrases (along with insults) makes you look 'smart', or something.

Leave the dishing out of insults to the real pros. Like me. You suck, even at that (that's how pathetic you are --- you can't even do that right).

My advice to you now -- avoid taking handguns into your own backyard. It could turn out double-plus ungood for you, and anyone nearby.

It could all be over for you, if you ignore this advice -- and everything came crashing down (sudden realization that I've been right, and your diaper has been full of crap for many days by now).

Then again you could repent, you know? It's not too late. Then -- this conversation would not matter much at all. It could all go by the wayside, forgotten, if not forgiven too...

If in need of anything further, See #51 and maybe your momma could help you since you are incapable of doing the job yourself.

90 posted on 08/12/2017 7:01:06 PM PDT by BlueDragon (if I'd had seen 'em breezin', I woulda' set)
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To: BlueDragon
But if anyone were interested (most here are not interested in this sick conversation you and I are having-- call that an educated guess) they could backtrack, while asking themselves what they would estimate be most likely end result; if President Trump attempted to unilaterally impose martial law.

Prognostication about results is NOT offering your own remedy, jackass.

91 posted on 08/12/2017 7:46:16 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger

There you go again. Still stuck on stupid.

To explain: Asked, and answered, X2, fool!

92 posted on 08/12/2017 8:10:44 PM PDT by BlueDragon (of course I did not read the article before posting. here to wing it crossing t's and dotting eyes)
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To: BlueDragon

You will note that I keep repeating both your assertions AND my answers.

Why do you expend so much effort trying to insult me for not “seeing” your answer instead of just repeating it? Because you are a narcissistic liar, maybe?

I mean really....hyperlinking to a wikipedia article instead of just repeating your answer! How much more pathetic can you get to avoid admitting you lied? But it is interesting that one of THE MOST SANCTIMONIOUS “Christians” I’ve ever experienced here would go through such contortions just to save face!

You have to know by now I’m not going to let it go. Posturing like your oh-so-trenchant “answer” is “the emperor’s new clothes” doesn’t work when everyone else knows the story.....

Now what were you saying about “shooting myself” if it all hit me at one time?

Oh the delicious irony!


93 posted on 08/13/2017 6:35:44 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger

I will, you say? I most certainly will not "note" or agree to yet another of your falsehoods, this time a half-truth that is still form of lie.

For the most part, on this thread, you have not done all that much in way of singling out what you were responding to --except for the few times you responded to only ONE part of what I posted to you, after yourself having repeated those isolated portions.

---but -- to quote what others have posted, then myself post reply towards that has long been my own usual way for years of posting on FR. You must be jealous to have even mentioned the subject, or more like noticed that I'd taken up your own way of not quoting another, to then respond with no indication of what precisely it is that I'm commenting toward.

Check your own comments. They are are uneven in this thing you claim I would (or should) note. I don't know why I even bother with you.... you're continually full of crap.

Do you really think you can get away with grabbing credit that is more due myself (for regularly quoting in my own replies what I'm responding to) while simultaneously accusing me of being guilty of what you are far more guilty of?

You are unbelievable, a real 'piece of work'. It is amazing the lengths you keep going to, to keep hold of your delusions.

Why should I go to the effort to repeat to you what I've already said? You skipped right past it the first time, then accused me of not providing alternative THAT I DID NOT have to supply, in the first place. Your idea still sucked.

This must be another one of those games you play with yourself. Perhaps you are so blinded by your hatreds and pride that what I am actually saying goes right on by --- yourself seizing upon only some item or another you think you could successfully use to ridicule, in return to what I've dished out towards you. But your own attempts have miserably failed, each time. It must suck to be you.

In the above italicized --- there is admission on your part that I had already "supplied answer".

According to you however, I'm somehow at fault (rendering your own dumb idea not the stupid garbage that it was, and still is) for having not repeated to you (for a second time, or even third time) something I had already posted to you ---and that which also is what you had repeatedly complained that I'd never supplied in the first place -- proving yourself here to have been a liar all along previously in this thread, and even now you are trying to keep one of the lies you told part-way alive. Sick, sick, sick.

BUT --You're getting close to admitting that (that you are a liar-- right down to the bone) to yourself. I am here to help you do that very thing.

Overall here in your latest, you're still squirming around (mentally, within yourself) trying to pin something on me -- instead of simply cleaning up that stinking mess you keep carrying around in your drawers.

No, that's you, far more than myself.

You are a natural Alinskyite though, accusing your opposition of what you are yourself habitually doing, and are guilty of. You've been consistent, in that.

From time you first demanded I supply some alternative to your STUPID suggestion: that the President should impose martial law ---

As for the link to a wiki page that touched upon in outline form typical judicial setting objections, I supplied that for reason of explaining the use of a term I had used which term was "asked and answered". Are you so dull you did not catch that? Were you calling myself doing so a lie, or something? Answer me, boy.

Your writing typically is less than clear -- which is not surprising considering what it is composed of.

Obviously you must be dull --
-- or is it more the dishonesty that lives within yourself that precludes yourself understanding?

To my eyes, it looks like (and you keep confirming) that it is denial within yourself ---an ongoing river of it, denying to yourself that you've long accepted serious flawed premises -- (even as a way of life) and do in fact as default operative seize upon one flawed premise after another (you love the little lies that you tell yourself) binding yourself in forms of blindness to even truth itself.

Ha? Me? lie? About WHAT? All you have is an empty accusation. I've lied about nothing on this thread. I supplied alternative path that the Trump Admin could follow, short of the drastic measure you had suggested which would most likely blow up in the Trump Admin's (and our own) faces.

How much more pathetic can you get, papertyger, for avoiding admitting you've repeatedly lied to the forum here when saying that I had supplied no alternative to your flippin' dumbass of the (early) century idea/suggestion that Trump should forthwith impose martial law?

You have things backwards. That is precisely what YOU are all about. Still riding butthurts for yourself having been disagreed with -- and shown to be a fool. Ha!@ I've not seen you quote that sort of comment back to me, coupled with a reply. Face it paper-boy, you f'n lie your poo-panted ass off, all over the place. It makes and spreads stinking mess. And you;re still at it. Always will be, until you stop. One way, or another. And yes, I have provided to already alternatives as for that. One of those alternatives being that you simply repent of your ongoing foolishness.

Your operating premises are seriously flawed. And that's how your words keep landing back upon yourself, draping themselves about your own head and shoulders. Will this be the day it all goes 'boom' for you (out in the backyard)?

Myself, earlier today, when I first typing this reply (I left it alone, to now finish it) had considered firing up a smoker to slow heat cook a rack of ribs. That will now have to wait. Perhaps tomorrow...

What you "won't let go" of is your own collection of flawed premise -- and butthurts you're to "get even" for.

It's been a pattern with yourself whenever interacting with me here, and on other FR threads too. And here again I get the impression you are desperate, desperate to not have the fantasy about yourself (how "smart" and "right" you think you are) exposed to be made of mud and mere 'paper' ---to yourself, most chiefly.

On another note, you leave me wondering (if I am fully wrong in what was outlined in last previous paragraphs, above) if you may not be doing this "not letting go" you speak of deliberately, trying to make Trump supporters (such as yourself?) appear unhinged --in an attempt to harm the Trump Admin, and whatever could pass for conservatism in general.

What's this 'everyone" you talk about, here and now? You, and your collection of demons?

To be a more charitable, I suppose I could guess that you must have been thinking of "everyone knows" about the fierceness of the critical, less-than honest, non-stop rhetorical attacks Trump has been subjected to. Yeah, everybody about those.

Though he has been subjected to a great deal of that -- that is still not enough to justify imposition of martial law upon the populace of the United States of America. You still lose, paper butt-boy with the poo-filled pants. Just admit it, and move on.

How about you get your momma' to change your diaper instead of me having to wipe up your continuing messes? I'm getting about sick of the attempt. You keep crapping. Perhaps you should be strapped to a potty chair --- for a long while.

When it finally hits you, it will not be delicious.

94 posted on 08/13/2017 9:21:42 PM PDT by BlueDragon (Lying is easy, they can make it all way 'round the world before truth can fetch it's pants...)
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To: BlueDragon
I think you should know; I'm really enjoying watching you come apart at the seams.

Your meandering rants, cliche's, typos, distinctions without difference, word salad reasoning, continual return to scatology as a metaphor, "I know you are, but what am I" defenses. And now, assuming I'm interpreting your manic, disjointed, syntax correctly, putting off a real world bbq so you can purge yourself to me with an incoherent, rambling defense of your previous posts and what they mean speak to your "Lady MacBeth-like," "Out damned spot" commitment to maintaining your "royal" demeanor.

It's not because of any particular schadenfreude on my part, but because i absolutely, 100% know it comes from nothing more than your desperate flailing about trying to preserve your pride. There is little more satisfying than to see stupid and prideful, hurt.

Now, on to taking you apart again. As in previous posts, I will only bother with an example to prove the validity of my points.

Why should I go to the effort to repeat to you what I've already said? You skipped right past it the first time, then accused me of not providing alternative THAT I DID NOT have to supply, in the first place. Your idea still sucked.
...
In the above italicized --- there is admission on your part that I had already "supplied answer".

Simply fascinating. What a fascinating thing your imagination is...

First, you DO have to supply an alternative, BECAUSE YOU NEVER OBJECTED TO MY CHARACTERIZATION OF THE ORIGINAL PROBLEM, idiot! That is, Trump is being subjected to all manner of unprecedented and illegal assaults from the other branches of government, as well as the media.

Second, why you should go to the effort to repeat what you've already said, is because I DIDN'T GET IT, jackass! Ostensibly, you wrote it the first time for the purpose of communicating it to me. If I indicate that communication was not received, for whatever reason, you need to either attempt to communicate it to me again, or provide me enough information to find it for myself (particularly as I maintain you are lying, and never provided any such solution, which you continually dispute).

Is that clear enough for you?

Next, the "why" you should repeat your solution is because I maintain you haven't actually give one. Proving me wrong would be a simple matter of providing the quote where you do. You're question is asinine in that it is a complete tautology, asking for proof of something that is self-evident, or mathematically a "given." "A=A" requires no "proof."

So you don't disagree with my premise, only my solution. This leaves you guilty of cowardice for not having the fortitude to address the problem with your own solution, though you've tacitly agreed with my characterization of the problem!

Next, let's turn this around on your reasoning. If my reference to a "solution" I can't see indicates I'm admitting you already gave it, then your giving it indicates you agree with my statement of the problem.

So which is it?

Are you a coward that doesn't want to deal with the problem, or are you a moron, proposing solutions (that I've yet to find) to things that don't need solving?

95 posted on 08/14/2017 7:07:14 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger
I got partway through what you wrote in continuation of the ongoing smug idiocy you indulge yourself in.

You were making no sense, so I stopped reading. Not even going to bother.

I will say that as far as I got, you'd continue to fail addressing whatever original issue there were -- and I assume you never got around to it.

I'm not going to read more of your lying crap. You're still full of it.

Nobody around here should read anything from you. You should be shunned.

96 posted on 08/14/2017 11:08:29 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: BlueDragon

Sure Nancy.
Anything you say.
Enjoy that pork roast ;-)


97 posted on 08/14/2017 1:47:09 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger

It wasn’t a pork roast. You can’t get anything right.


98 posted on 08/14/2017 6:25:06 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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