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Liberals can't handle the Asian factor in affirmative action
CNN ^ | August 3, 2017 | Mark Bauerlein

Posted on 08/03/2017 9:02:48 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Liberals can't handle the Asian factor in affirmative action

By Mark Bauerlein
Updated 1807 GMT (0207 HKT) August 3, 2017

The big surprise in the study was that Asians had to score significantly higher than whites, as well as blacks and Hispanics. Despite having a higher average SAT score, Asians have lower odds of admission than do "comparable whites."

Take away those inequities and Asian enrollment would do what it did at Caltech in California, where racial preferences are outlawed. In 1992, Asian enrollment was 25%. In 2013, it was 43%. According to Students for Fair Admission, an anti-affirmative action group, during the same period, Asian enrollment at Harvard, a staunch practitioner of affirmative action, went slightly downward, from 19% to 18%.

Liberals can't absorb the Asian factor. It doesn't fit the whites vs. people of color setup. What is most frustrating to liberals is that advocates can't point to Asians as victimizers of blacks and Hispanics to justify the unequal treatment. The old argument of compensation-for-past-abuses doesn't apply to them, only to whites.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction; asians
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Suddenly CNN is featuring an article which runs counter to its nature. I still suspect this is a tactical retreat which will be short-lived. Since they took lots of heat for being such a blatant propaganda organ for the left, they may need some fig leaf.
1 posted on 08/03/2017 9:02:49 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Ending affirmative action in all of its forms would only take an EEOC directive that all affirmative action policies had to include Asians in proportion to blacks and it would be over.

A 15% minority hire quota would become 10% black 5% Asian. That would be the end of it.


2 posted on 08/03/2017 9:06:25 PM PDT by anton
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Most of these affirmative action admissions don’t end up graduating anyway. Even if they do graduate with a degree, most of them come away just as ignorant as when they went in. Lots of money and time wasted.

Our education sucks nowadays all because of liberals.


3 posted on 08/03/2017 9:18:37 PM PDT by Bullish (Whatever it takes to MAGA)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Very smart move by the DOJ to pick up on the Harvard lawsuit. I actually think it could be the suit that ends affirmative action at the Supreme Court. Race-conscious admissions are wrong, but most people aren’t that offended by giving a few underrepresented and presumably “disadvantaged” minorities a bit of an edge to make sure they’re there at all, but to basically cap another group is a plain quota, and that has never been OK. That the group being capped had nothing to do with past oppression is just icing on the cake.


4 posted on 08/03/2017 9:23:59 PM PDT by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Never underestimate the stupidity of the Left. I heard a similar segment on PBS. They obviously think that if they highlight Asians’ superior outcomes, the latest push for a system based on merit alone will enrage “us’n white folk” enough to put a dent in the Administration’s efforts here. To them, we’re too stupid and racist to be serious.


5 posted on 08/03/2017 9:58:50 PM PDT by WKTimpco
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The best students should go the the best schools and race should never be a factor in college admissions.


6 posted on 08/03/2017 10:03:20 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Is national origin a factor in admission? Should American universities give any preference to Americans? Apparently a lot of rich Chinese are sending their kids to American universities, often paying full tuition, which is keeping some universities running.

I always enjoyed the presence of foreign students. But I wonder what it would it be like if our top universities only had a small minority of Americans. That might already be true with graduate students at some places.

7 posted on 08/03/2017 10:09:17 PM PDT by wideminded
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Chinese are sending their kids to American universities, often paying full tuition

A potential target for a secondary sanction. As with affirmative action, it is quite likely that colleges will blow their stack over this.

8 posted on 08/03/2017 10:18:44 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (dead parakeet + lost fishing gear = freep all day)
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I am part of a Vietnamese language parish so a big chunk of the local VN commuinity are my friends. Outside of the girls who go into the nail shops where even many of the hi IQ ones go because of the instant and long term incomes, a high percentage of the kids go to university . Most used to go to med school to become doctors. With the advent of obamacare and the collapsing profitability of that specialty the kids are mostly going into the peripheral medical specialties like radiology and therapy where there is still a lot of money and you don't have to fork over huge amounts of it for liability insurance and you are not limited by humungous amounts of paper and keyboard work and you don't have to work for the half dozen huge corporations. Sometimes they have to apply to quite a few institutions to get an acceptance because the Asian quotas are heavily over subscribed.

It would not bother me a bit to see the universities with 50% or as many more than that as qualify by merit of Asians or any other single group that had that merit advantage. I am for a purely merit based admissions policy for university.

If Federal financing of Universities or of schools in general were to totally disappear, merit based admissions would gain a whole lot of ground. It is the government money, direct and student loans that allows the schools to play favorites and, another subject I suppose, to offer nothing courses from which no living can be made.

9 posted on 08/03/2017 10:31:33 PM PDT by ThanhPhero
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To: wideminded

Eliminate government loans. That will eliminate most of the can’t-graduates and free up space for the full fare foreigners. before the Kennedy immigration transformation, we had the best universities for what now are the STEM fields in the world and the world’s best came to them. We made it easy for them to stay here after they earned their degrees and thus we stayed more easily on top of the world by sucking off the brains of the world. There was no complaint back then about the foreigners taking American jobs because we had rational business policies, relative low taxes on business and low regulation compared to the rest of the industrialized world, The constant added fuel of foreign brains just fired up the economic engine even hotter. Now we take a few and we over sample engineers because our own industries are burdened with the expense of regulation and the advanced world’s highest taxes which makes for a stagnant or shrinking base and a necessity for companies to suck in foreign engineers and workers to reduce wages and try to stay competitive. Dump the taxes and regulations and the foreign brains will become an enrichening asset to the culture and effectively raise incomes as they expand businesses instead of being stopgaps in industries declining in the world market.


10 posted on 08/03/2017 10:46:43 PM PDT by arthurus
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To: TigerLikesRooster

bmp


11 posted on 08/04/2017 1:59:56 AM PDT by gattaca ("Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." Ronald Reagan)
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"Eliminate government loans. That will eliminate most of the can’t-graduates and free up space for the full fare foreigners. "

Keep the loans. Eliminate "affirmative action". Base issuance of loan on financial need and demonstrated merit.

12 posted on 08/04/2017 5:18:17 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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Asians prove that the main pillar of leftist thought is one big lie.

The left’s main attack is “this society is racist and unfair and minorities can’t succeed in such an environment. Therefore justice demands that the entire environment must be changed”.

Yet a very tiny minority group, Asians, is wildly successful proving that the problem lies not with our society but instead with certain groups themselves.

This truth is death to the left and must be suppressed as their highest priority.


13 posted on 08/04/2017 6:19:22 AM PDT by KyCats
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To: Wonder Warthog

Keeping the government involved in financing education is keeping the government replacing education with social engineering and propaganda. If you like that and spending your career repaying loans, well, there is no help for you.


14 posted on 08/04/2017 6:57:06 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The best qualified should get the spots. Period. Like the NBA, NFL and NHL.


15 posted on 08/04/2017 8:31:36 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW!¬ďAt 9 a.m. this morning a shipbo Building the Wall! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH)
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"Keeping the government involved in financing education is keeping the government replacing education with social engineering and propaganda. "

As long as government money flows to individuals who make the choice of curriculum, that can't happen.

"If you like that and spending your career repaying loans, well, there is no help for you."

What I do know is that my family was poor as hell, and couldn't afford to send me to college. Fortunately, I was bright enough to land some scholarships, but even with that, I still needed a loan and a part-time campus job to make ends meet. I had paid back my loan by four years into my first job. And the higher taxes I was able to pay as a working PhD chemist more than made up for the investment.

Fortunately, there "was" help for me. I advocate for keeping the baby and throwing out the bath water. Not throwing out both, as your approach would.

16 posted on 08/04/2017 8:33:33 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: Wonder Warthog
It can and it does. It keeps the institutions full of excess money which they don't have to use to satisfy customers so they engage in all the social engineering their hearts desire and the totally unnecessary grandiose building projects which they use to justify the ever escalating tuition which the government pays for by loosening the requirements for the loans which are nearly universally available now. The loans also keep the borrowers in thrall to the government for many years after University.

If the loans are available take them but don't justify them. There is no justification for them outside of a socialist levelling system.

17 posted on 08/04/2017 10:46:38 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: Timpanagos1

“I don’t care if every seat is filled by an Asian if they’ve earned the right to be there.” - Ronald Reagan


18 posted on 08/04/2017 10:49:42 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Wonder Warthog
That is where it is at. Without government loans, before them, in fact, there were private loans for aspiring students who weren't bright enough for scholarships and were only offered for educations that gave some assurance that the loans would be paid back.

My daughter was bright enough to get a couple of scholarships. She was also bright enough to take a year off and get a teller trainee job in a credit unio and learn theat trade before she went to college. She paid for most of her four years by her own work and then her 3 years for her MBA. She didn't even seek scholarships for LSU business school because her acquired talents got her a 3 year job in the campus credit union. If you had any grasp of economics you would understand that if there were no government loans or government guaranteed loans available the price of tuition would be a small fraction of what it is and the felt necessity for those loans would not be there. Before government loans scholarships could cover a much higher percentage of costs than they do now. The funds for them have not grown at nearly the pace of tuition growth. The costs that your loans are paying for are incurred in part by the presence in college of large numbers of students who have no excuse for being there but they can get loans to go and colleges to take them so they can suck in that money to pay bigger salaries to professors of useless pseudo knowledge and build bigger fancier buildings and swimming pools.

19 posted on 08/04/2017 10:56:24 AM PDT by arthurus
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Indians (from India) also do very well. They are a minority group in the USA and have brown/black skin to boot. The “racist” society isn’t holding them back from success either.


20 posted on 08/04/2017 11:10:13 AM PDT by Cecily
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