Skip to comments.The sex pervert as anti-fascist (...how Nazis were anything but 'conservative')
Posted on 08/29/2017 8:44:05 AM PDT by Perseverando
For a generation, progressives have portrayed fascism and Nazism as exemplified by sexual repression and moral conservatism. In this view, the left has an anti-Nazi sensibility because the left is into bohemianism and sexual expression. In my new book, The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of American Left, I show that the fascists and Nazis, far from being repressed moral conservatives, were themselves sexually and stylistically bohemian. In style as well as in ideology, fascism and Nazism are phenomena of the political left.
The whole notion that fascism and Nazism are forms of sexual repression is the invention of one man, Herbert Marcuse of the so-called Frankfurt School. Himself a refugee from Nazi Germany, Marcuse was a Marxist who detested Christianity and capitalism with the same passion that he hated Hitler. In the period after World War II, Marcuse set about to mobilize the hatred Americans felt for Nazism against Americas own capitalist and Christian social and sexual mores.
According to Marcuse, America had its own form of fascism, and that was modern, technological, capitalist society. In his book Eros and Civilization, Marcuse insisted that America had established elaborate systems for controlling our sex organs, what Marcuse terms the sacrifice of libido. Marcuse blamed not merely the free market system for supposedly codifying and merchandizing sex turning it into a commodity but he also blamed religious and social mores for repressing and enslaving the sex instincts. Unfortunately, Marcuse noted, there is currently in America a channeling of sexuality into monogamous reproduction and a taboo on perversions.
Marcuse proclaimed that this suppressed sexuality was indicative of an emerging American fascism. Without being released, he wrote, it manifests itself in the hideous forms so well known including the sadistic and masochistic orgies of prison inmates and concentration camp guards.
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The Nazis were some of the biggest perverts in history. The SA was a gay mafia and one of the reasons the Army hated them was because it was filled with queers. The SS was no better but was good at hiding it.
Run afoul of the State, and see how long you’d keep your business.
While getting a degree in History in the 70s, most of my professors bought into the shared importance of Marx and Freud.
Marcuse, Fromm, and Foucault were the Big Thinkers of the day. Some of my professors also liked Wilhelm Reich — but he wasn’t officially “cool” because he was a little crazy, thought he could cure cancer, and died in a US federal prison. Reich also got kicked out of the Communist Party, which was certainly his biggest sin.
But basically, unleashing anything-goes sexual desires to convince people that morality, family and private property were weird, backwards, Christian ideas ... that was surely the path to Utopia.
And we seem to have make little progress.
The SA, led by Rohm, was purged during “The Night of the Long Knives,” and renamed the SS.
The SA and SS were actually separate groups existing at the same time. The SS began as Hitler’s personal guard and expanded greatly, into overseers of mass murder and elite combat units notorious for gross atrocities, after the SA was disbanded and its homosexual clique leadership slaughtered. The jealousy and competition among the criminals and psychopaths who made up the Nazi hierarchy were intense. Himmler vs. Röhm, was just one example.
The SA were also composed of a lot of Communists, who simply switched uniforms.
Ernst Rohm advocated State Control of all industry, something Hitler was opposed to, because he knew he needed the Industrialists for his war machine.
“In style as well as in ideology, fascism and Nazism are phenomena of the political left.”
That’s just not true. It’s a silly claim that just makes conservatives look stupid. There are people on the left who claim that communism is “right wing” too. Both of these groups of people are making up a bogus, ahistorical definition of left or right(whichever one they oppose) that means “they don’t like freedom.”
The reality is there are authoritarian and totalitarian movements on both the right and the left.
Let’s retire this idiotic line of argument. It’s sad that so many older conservatives think that saying stuff like “the Democrats are the real racists” and “nazis were left wing” helps conservatives. It does nothing to disarm leftist attacks and makes conservatives look foolish and dishonest.
The Nazis were fascist and fascists of that era were left wing. They were National Socialists, as distinguished from International Socialists, the ones who’re ranting about fascists pertaining to anyone who opposes them today. There are numerous speeches by Goebbels and others among the Nazi leadership ranting about “we are SOCIALISTS” so I don’t know where you’re getting your information, but it’s you who’s looking foolish and dishonest along about now.
But they were not actual socialists in how they ran the country. It was a right wing movement by any reasonable definition.
Don’t you understand that trying to claim that everyone bad in history was on the left just looks dishonest and pathetic? By the logic used to classify nazis as
“left,” the old monarchies must have been “left wing” too, since they were against “freedom.”
Some older conservatives think that if they can “prove” the nazis were “left wing,” the modern left will stop calling conservatives nazis. That’s not the case. But it does make conservatives look bad.
You don't know much about history, apparently. Just because the means of production remained in nominally private hands does not mean that the Nazis didn't firmly control it, because they did. Who is teaching you or taught you? Questioning authority was in order, whoever it was.
You do know that Hitler ran for President against the conservative candidate as the candidate of the left? And he lost?
The cited article deals in the specifics of the times, in the fuller context of the contemporary players on a wide variety of issues.
Hitler and his gang despised the market economies of the West, whom he denounced as controlled by “plutocrats.” His solution was the national socialist command economy controlled by the state.
Yeah, a real social conservative.
Oh, yeah. Foucault had a rather interesting set of sexual preferences himself, involving whips, chains, and death from AIDS. Marcuse is simply another example of someone who uses politics to get laid.
Anyone who looks into the genesis of the Nazi party runs straight into sexual perversion from the outset. Pictures of the Hitler Youth were, and remain, borderline softcore pornography. Out-of-wedlock pregnancy was openly encouraged in Hitlerjugend camps, and lebensborn cannon-fodder baby factories are something out of a nightmare. A very great deal has been written on Rohm and the SA, whose orgies would be right at home in a San Francisco bath-house. A big one. Hitler himself was accused by political opponents (so take it with a grain of salt) of supporting himself through male prostitution in his Vienna days. At the very least he was very familiar with that environment, and yet his shock at the degree to which the SA had wallowed in it was apparently genuine. It provided a handy excuse for the Night Of The Long Knives, to be sure.
I think it's another facet of the failure of the popular argument that the Nazis and the Communists were any sort of opposite when they behaved so very much alike in so many respects. Totalitarian statism, camps, mass extermination, rigid thought control, militaristic regimentation of society, they were two peas in a pod.
The irony too, is that Stalin, himself, was a “National Socialist”.
He had rejected the Internationalism of Trotsky, and instead adhered to the doctrine of “Socialism in One Country”. And instead of respected all of the cultures of the Soviet Union, he instigated a ruthless system of “Russification” throughout the entire Soviet Union, uprooting entire ethnicities, and replacing them with ethnic Russians.
And you’ll never convince me, that Stalin wasn’t aware of just what Hitler was doing in places like Babi Yar, and tacitly approved, knowing at least Hitler was helping Stalin take care of his “Jewish Problem”.
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