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Utah hospital to cops: Stay away from our nurses
Washington Post ^ | Sept 05, 2017 | Fred Barbash and Derek Hawkins

Posted on 09/05/2017 9:36:38 PM PDT by Ken H

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To: Tammy8

Taking charge is a subtle art, no doubt!


41 posted on 09/05/2017 11:16:40 PM PDT by dr_lew (I)
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To: Noamie
When one of your bros pisses on a civilian, they are pissing on you, too. When you start shitcanning the badge-heavy skin-headed, black glove thugs, instead of putting them on "admin leave, with pay", you MIGHT start regaining some of the trust you've piddled away.

I've bought Chicago cops, and seen staggering drunk off duty cops dragged away from the accident by their buddies, with no charges in the local paper. EVERYONE knows this, and The Blue Line refuses to admit it.

Ask any civilian, and he'll have a story of some Blue Bro who shouldn't be allowed out with a paint ball gun, let alone a Glock, with 6 mags, and a Taser.

As an extra, consider that the Charlottesville PD, Portland PD, Berkley PD are so political that they refuse to enforce the law under orders from the Socialist mayors. If a War starts, are they going to stand for the Communists, or the Constitution? A lot of us have our doubts.

42 posted on 09/05/2017 11:21:35 PM PDT by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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To: Tammy8
That police department had a month from the time the incident happened until the video was released to take actions to step up and do something- the fact that they did not is very telling. I think it was time for the hospital to take this step.

I didn't know that. That certainly changes things. In that case, they probably did what they needed to. Its a shame that it had to come to that.

43 posted on 09/05/2017 11:24:23 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (Liberals arguing for their agenda--Russia! Russia! Racism! Racism! sexism! homophobia!)
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To: lightman

The policy will change when the idiot donut commando is fired. I predict November.


44 posted on 09/05/2017 11:25:17 PM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: Az Joe

In Texas, illegal arrest (which this clearly was on the face of it, as she was required to do what she did by Federal law) results in the officer being charged with felony assault, assault under color of law. I believe the law is the same in Utah, where this happened.

All this idiot officer would have had to do to avoid this is get a warrant over the phone. Problem is, with what he had, no un-crooked judge would ever give him one.

The officer should count himself lucky that he wasn’t in Texas. Texas law allows a citizen to resist an illegal arrest by any means necessary up to and including deadly force. I can provide cites of the Texas penal code as necessary.


45 posted on 09/05/2017 11:25:50 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Noamie

Being LE was your fault not theirs.


46 posted on 09/05/2017 11:27:41 PM PDT by airplaneguy
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To: fireman15

I did a surgery internship at Cooper Hospital decades ago. Camden New Jersey. It never happened to me but me Chief Resident told me the night before he had been pulled over going way fast in his Porsche. He told the officer he was a surgery resident at Cooper, they guy let him go. He told me if I ever got stopped to just tell them I was a surgery resident and they would let me off. Stands to reason. In the 12 months I was there we worked on several cops in the ER. Since then I always figured medical folks and cops have a sort of “unwritten professional courtesy” but I guess those days are ending. But I sure have a lot of stories from that 12 months.


47 posted on 09/05/2017 11:29:43 PM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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I find I must post a quick correction: Texas law allows a citizen to resist arrest by any means necessary if the arrest was conducted with more force than absolutely necessary. Which, IMHO, is the case here. Texas Penal Code 9.31(c): "The use of force to resist an arrest or search is justified: (1) if, before the actor offers any resistance, the peace officer (or person acting at his direction) uses or attempts to use greater force than necessary to make the arrest or search;  and (2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the peace officer's (or other person's) use or attempted use of greater force than necessary." This tends to keep TX peace officers quite a bit more professional, however.
48 posted on 09/05/2017 11:30:11 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Az Joe

You should seek help for your woman hating . Bitter divorce?


49 posted on 09/05/2017 11:34:56 PM PDT by airplaneguy
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To: Spktyr

Does any body know what the hell actually happened there? I admit I didn’t waste time watching the video. But the more I read about this the case is screwiness than hell. The unconscious guy was a driver? Why wouldn’t she do a blood alcohol? There are some big missing pieces to this story.


51 posted on 09/05/2017 11:38:51 PM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Az Joe

Hahahahahaha.


52 posted on 09/05/2017 11:41:31 PM PDT by airplaneguy
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To: airplaneguy

I’d be embarrassed if one of the women in my family acted in such a hysterical manner. They were taught to give the officer the benefit of the doubt and respect. So far, 50-60 years later they all haven’t had to act like that banshee.

You are an embarrassment to this forum cop hater. You should leave.


53 posted on 09/05/2017 11:42:15 PM PDT by Az Joe (Gloria in excelsis Deo)
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To: airplaneguy

Is your name Kaepernick? F’n cop hatin POS.


54 posted on 09/05/2017 11:43:45 PM PDT by Az Joe (Gloria in excelsis Deo)
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To: Az Joe

Calm down Rambo. It’s late and you’re hysterical. Be well.


55 posted on 09/05/2017 11:44:37 PM PDT by airplaneguy
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To: Cubs Fan
This is not wise. better to insist the cops involved be punished, THEN, if that doesn’t happen you take this step.

Well, so far the cops involved have gotten a paid vacation, and it has been months since the incident.

I don't think timely punishment is going to happen, so even by your reasoning this step is appropriate.

56 posted on 09/05/2017 11:44:57 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: Cubs Fan
This is not wise. better to insist the cops involved be punished, THEN, if that doesn’t happen you take this step.

Well, so far the cops involved have gotten a paid vacation, and it has been months since the incident.

I don't think timely punishment is going to happen, so even by your reasoning this step is appropriate.

58 posted on 09/05/2017 11:46:57 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: Az Joe

Feel better now? Thanks for the laughs.


59 posted on 09/05/2017 11:52:14 PM PDT by airplaneguy
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To: wastoute

Short version of what is known:

1. Police were pursuing a fleeing criminal at a high rate of speed.
2. For various reasons, the fleeing criminal went head on into an 18 wheeler. The criminal was unsurprisingly dead at the scene. The driver of the 18 wheeler was seriously injured in the crash and was unconscious at the hospital.
3. The police officers at the heart of this went to the hospital and demanded that the injured driver’s blood be drawn for toxicology tests to determine if he’d been on drugs or alcohol at the time of the crash.
4. As the unconscious truck driver was not otherwise involved in the pursuit, there was no probable cause to draw blood for this purpose.
5. Multiple Federal and state laws say that unless there are exigent circumstances (such as ‘someone else is going to die unless we get this evidence right the hell now), a blood draw ***requires*** that either a warrant be obtained from a judge or the person whose blood is to be drawn must give consent. These laws have all sorts of provisions up to and including allowing the person whose blood was drawn without permission or warrant to specifically sue the person who performed the draw, file felony charges, and basically ruin the life of anyone who illegally draws blood. Break these laws and you will never work in healthcare (and maybe not even at any place where you must inquire if they would like french fries with their order) again.
6. In accordance with the laws and her own ethics, the nurse said that since the unconscious man was not able to give permission, the police would have to get a warrant, something that would have taken only a few minutes by phone.
7. The police officers did not have probable cause for a warrant and decided to try to strongarm the nurse into breaking her ethics and the laws.
8. The nurse refused.
9. The two police officers illegally arrested her (assault under color of law) and all the other officers and security stood around and did nothing. Then they conspired with each other on how they could get someone else to draw the blood illegally.
10. It is not known why the police were attempting to get this innocent bystander’s blood. Speculation is that they were crooked cops who were trying to cover their ass and blame the unconscious driver for the crash.

Watch the video.


60 posted on 09/05/2017 11:53:24 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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