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Stunning testimony: Voting machines can be hacked without a trace of evidence
Washington Times ^ | 9-12-17 | Steven Dinan

Posted on 09/12/2017 7:53:50 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

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To: afraidfortherepublic

It is good to see a big name like Ron Rivest get involved in this. Maybe more people will listen.


41 posted on 09/12/2017 11:59:03 PM PDT by TChad
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To: buffaloguy
Ten years minimum per count consecutive sentences, not concurrent. No parole or reduction of sentence for any reason.>

And no restoration of the right to vote upon completion of sentence.

42 posted on 09/13/2017 12:02:40 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: itsahoot

If the federal government centralized or standardized the voting procedures, that would open the door to some bad Voodoo. Man, it would be a disaster. I hope nobody gets ideas about it.

Only enforcing law and punishments on the individual level would work without causing worse corruption.


43 posted on 09/13/2017 12:10:13 AM PDT by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our one and only true hope.)
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To: freeandfreezing
...hacker has to penetrate physical security systems to get to the memory chips or mass storage devices they need to replace to install the rogue code, or tamper with results.

Do you trust your County and City clerks? How about your election inspectors? In Wisconsin, both the County and City clerks have custody of the machines for weeks in advance and ample time to jigger the machines (or anyone in their families). The Chief Inspectors have custody of the machines over night the night before the election.

44 posted on 09/13/2017 12:11:33 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

dontcha miss the days of arguing over not-filled-in-enough-dots, and hanging chads? life was so simple....


45 posted on 09/13/2017 12:48:44 AM PDT by blueplum ( "...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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To: \/\/ayne

The ‘security’ is usually the root of the problem.


46 posted on 09/13/2017 3:01:49 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap")
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Easy to solve,go back to the old voting machines


47 posted on 09/13/2017 3:31:17 AM PDT by ballplayer (hvexx NKK c bmytit II iyijjhihhiyyiyiyi it iyiiy II i hi jiihi ty yhiiyihiijhijjyjiyjiiijyuiiijihyii)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Easy to solve,go back to the old voting machines


48 posted on 09/13/2017 3:31:17 AM PDT by ballplayer (hvexx NKK c bmytit II iyijjhihhiyyiyiyi it iyiiy II i hi jiihi ty yhiiyihiijhijjyjiyjiiijyuiiijihyii)
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To: proudpapa

My son is a computer whiz who says it was common knowledge among geeks that the machines were eminently hackable, either locally or centrally i.e. most of the machines in the country could be altered from a single location by a technique called proportional voting or proportional scoring. He says frustration of the hack was worked but many computer whizzes like himself only better at it who worked hard to block it. He says he started to get into it but better geeks than him were on it and he stayed out of it.


49 posted on 09/13/2017 3:48:47 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: digger48

I don’t think so. She won in the big cities that are run and largely populated by people who craved her election. There was hacking attempt and there was counter hack going on.


50 posted on 09/13/2017 3:50:27 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: \/\/ayne

...”Paper counts may take time but it seems the only secure way and even then with massive security.”...

Who didn’t know that those computers could be tampered with already? It is just common sense considering how the other side constantly campaigns for ways to cheat in elections through having no ID’s for voting, putting through a cheating mechanism like the “Motor Voter Act (legacy of Wendell Ford, Dem. from KY),” open borders, letting illegals vote, etc., etc. Considering that Equifax and the Federal Government have been hacked, it stand to reason that voting machines should be done away with in favor of paper ballots. My state lets me choose which to use and I always choose paper.


51 posted on 09/13/2017 4:03:03 AM PDT by jazzlite
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To: Repeal The 17th

Correct, you don’t want to be linked back to how you voted.

But several election cycles ago we had discrepancies in local voting, nobody knew how to toss out the extra votes, because the ballots are all ‘secret.’

So the problem really is a catch 22. Fraud is happening, but once the ballot is cast...the deed is done and nothing can be done to correct the illegal vote.


52 posted on 09/13/2017 4:03:35 AM PDT by EBH ( May God Save the Republic)
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To: freeandfreezing

He should know better, agreed.

No system can claim to be 100% secure. You just can’t. That’s all he should be saying, which is nothing new. Unless he can demonstrate a vulnerability that we’re all unaware of that is easy to exploit, he’s just sensationalizing the issue.


53 posted on 09/13/2017 4:44:23 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
*Gasp* /sarcasm

(BAN ELECTRONIC VOTING!)

54 posted on 09/13/2017 4:03:07 PM PDT by cmj328 (We live here.)
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To: \/\/ayne
Paper counts may take time but it seems the only secure way and even then with massive security.

I would rather wait a few days to get semi-honest results than the cluster we currently have in place.

55 posted on 09/13/2017 4:06:39 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.com)
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To: Mark

So if you get a subpoena for your voting receipt, because for instance some campaign decides to contest the election, are you going to refuse to comply with it?


56 posted on 09/13/2017 6:18:03 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: cynwoody
Right, but Scantegrity and all systems, software or not, depend on the trust of the voters in the system, and depend on the integrity of the system. The kind of attacks Rivest et al were describing in their testimony are attacks which replace voting system code or processes with rogue code.

Applying their same logic, a corrupted Scantegrity system would report that the tabulation matched even when it didn't, or would not add the correctly tabulated results in to the final totals. Once a malevolent actor has access to the system it can be corrupted. Whatever interactions you have with such a system subsequently are controlled by the attacker until the system is quarantined, if it can be.

57 posted on 09/13/2017 6:23:30 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: cynwoody
Of course, as others have pointed out, the problem with any such scheme is that it allows a voter to prove to a third party how he voted, thus enabling vote buying and selling and voter coercion.

And really that is all that being able to recall your ballot data shows. It doesn't provide any evidence that the ballot was correctly tabulated into the final totals, or even that your selections were carried in to the next phase of vote tabulation.

58 posted on 09/13/2017 6:27:07 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Do you trust your County and City clerks? How about your election inspectors? In Wisconsin, both the County and City clerks have custody of the machines for weeks in advance and ample time to jigger the machines (or anyone in their families). The Chief Inspectors have custody of the machines over night the night before the election.

If the system that the election officials operate in isn't sufficient to detect fraudulent activity, or if the voters don't trust their elected officials then it doesn't matter what kind of voting machines are in use. In countries where the election officials aren't trustworthy they just collect the ballots, throw them out, and declare a winner.

Corrupt government officials don't need to hack the machines, they can just declare fake results absent a process which prevents that. Most states have procedural and legal processes which deter that kind of behavior. In New Hampshire, for example, the election process is run by a large number of elected and appointed officials, including participants from both parties, and the entire process is done in public. So perpetrating the kind of fraud you are suggesting requires a conspiracy including many people, including representatives from both parties.

59 posted on 09/13/2017 6:35:33 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: arthurus
i.e. most of the machines in the country could be altered from a single location by a technique called proportional voting or proportional scoring.

Not true. There are many different kinds of voting machines in use, most of which have no internet connection or any means of access other than physical contact. The run widely different code bases, and for a lot of machines the code they are running is in ancient EPROM memory that can only be updated by being erased with UV light and then reprogrammed.

60 posted on 09/13/2017 6:38:52 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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