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Legal status with a pathway to citizenship is NOT amnesty. So I guess that's scratch number 7 here?

1. Secure the border in a transparently verifiable way;

2. End the anchor-baby interpretation of the 14th Amendment

3. Enforce e-verify without exception and with severe penalties;

4. End chain migration. Entry per individual qualifications; not family ties.

5. Deportation upon contact with any law enforcement agency- federal, state or local;

6. No government benefits beyond critical emergency care(and that ought to be billed back to the home government);

7. NO "Path to citizenship" EVER for anyone who has entered the us illegally.

1 posted on 09/14/2017 1:32:48 PM PDT by Rockitz
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Well, if Trump reneges on his immigration/illegals stance, he might end up being the reason we have a civil war. If he isn’t going to go all-out and fight for us, no one else will.


30 posted on 09/14/2017 1:50:46 PM PDT by CatOwner
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.. Trump remembers 1986 and won’t repeat it IMO. NWO he isn’t...


34 posted on 09/14/2017 1:53:31 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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Of course amnesty is not an exact path to citizenship - the next president will take care of doing that...


36 posted on 09/14/2017 1:54:51 PM PDT by gdani (Everyone is a snowflake these days)
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To: Pride in the USA

Sorry, Mr. President. You are wrong about this. Dead wrong.


39 posted on 09/14/2017 1:56:34 PM PDT by lonevoice (diagonally parked in a parallel universe)
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If Trump thinks Ryan and McConnell are going to take the lead on this and then get hung out to dry when the base whines that the deal isn’t good enough, he’s kidding himself.

Let him put his reputation on the line for this one instead of cheerleading from the sidelines for action in the vaguest, most meaningless terms, as he did during the health-care slog.

Put a bill together, send it to McConnell, and he’ll try to get it done. If Democrats won’t bite then it’s Trump’s failure, not the Senate GOP’s. McConnell’s done being a whipping boy.

What Trump should have done, knowing that Schumer and Pelosi are implacably opposed to funding the wall, is named his terms from the beginning: “Sure, we’ll do DREAM — in exchange for the RAISE Act, straight up.”

Americans like DREAM but they also like components of RAISE, like reducing chain migration and implementing E-Verify.

Trump could have made that the starting point for negotiations, which would have put some pressure on Schumer and Pelosi to make meaningful concessions. Even if he had “only” gotten E-Verify or a new policy prioritizing skills-based qualifications for immigrants over family connections, that would have been a meaningful achievement arguably worth trading a limited amnesty for.

Instead he showed his cards — “I want DREAM too!” — and then immediately backed off his top demand, which is funding for the wall.


41 posted on 09/14/2017 1:58:26 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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All is not gloom and doom. Here we have two very happy campers:


42 posted on 09/14/2017 1:58:59 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie
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People may parse words and have different definitions,

But amnesty in the dictionary is to forgive law-breaking. They are using a definition that it means no citizenship. What about children of Dreamers born in the US? Anyway, this is frustrating.


43 posted on 09/14/2017 2:01:58 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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No President was going to get rid of the illegals. He had no support in Congress, the media or among the populace to force this. Even Reagan who had the biggest support of the electorate in modern history could not put a dent in it.

There can be no doubt that President Trump has attempted to keep ALL of his campaign promises despite 91% NEGATIVE press coverage and nearly ZERO support from the establishment Republicans.

I am grateful that he rescinded nearly all of the Obama EO's and got us out of Paris accord and stopped the Bush and Clinton dynasties. That alone has earned my support. I am confident that whatever comes will be the best that can be expected from the current political situation.

We need to win him some support in 2018 to keep going.

48 posted on 09/14/2017 2:06:45 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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I’m trying to understand how this is different than Jeb!, Kasich, Pelosi or Gutierrez.


52 posted on 09/14/2017 2:13:26 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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Methinks the man doth protest too much. If it walks like duck....
53 posted on 09/14/2017 2:14:13 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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Trump should just say — hey we are going to make an exception for DACA and grant amnesty for this group of people. Better than trying to redefine what words mean. I can live with it if he gets his other agenda items done. The Presidency is not a dictatorship and Trump has to work deals to get things done.

But what is Trump getting for DACA? Just curious.


58 posted on 09/14/2017 2:16:04 PM PDT by plain talk
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If we want to be real the Dreamers were staying no matter what. But it is a pretty shitty deal to explicitly cave on it for nothing but a vague promise? of a border wall and absolutely no credit or political capital at all. Trump is still every bit the racist and xenophobe to practically everybody after this as he was before.


66 posted on 09/14/2017 2:22:12 PM PDT by jarwulf
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We learned nothing from the 1986 amnesty. This is nothing more than total capitulation. He's giving the dems exactly what they want and we don't get the wall....but we do get jack squat.

Put as much lipstick on this pig as you want, but this is losing, big time.

69 posted on 09/14/2017 2:26:12 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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1. Secure the border in a transparently verifiable way;

2. End the anchor-baby interpretation of the 14th Amendment

3. Enforce e-verify without exception and with severe penalties;

4. End chain migration. Entry per individual qualifications; not family ties.

5. Deportation upon contact with any law enforcement agency- federal, state or local;

6. No government benefits beyond critical emergency care(and that ought to be billed back to the home government);

7. NO “Path to citizenship” EVER for anyone who has entered the us illegally.

Thank you! Without all of the above we are headed to a hot civil war. And I suggest:

8. Rescind the 1965 Immigration and Naturalization Act.


72 posted on 09/14/2017 2:32:23 PM PDT by Prolixus (Drain the swamp!!!)
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So many Fair Weather Freepers. Wouldn’t have thought that.


73 posted on 09/14/2017 2:35:54 PM PDT by McGruff (2017 or 1984?)
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Anything less that them leaving is amnesty. 30-60 million illegal aliens need to go home. Send the American-educated kids home to fix their countries. Most were older and past that school-age anyway. Their families are illegal, too, and need to go with them. No Amnesty!!!!


74 posted on 09/14/2017 2:43:24 PM PDT by Reno89519 (PRESIDENT TRUMP, KEEP YOUR PROMISES! NO AMNESTY AND BUILD THAT WALL.)
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How is this not amnesty? Of course it is.

You came here illegally.
We’re letting you stay.

That’s amnesty.

But then, Trump has always been for amnesty.


75 posted on 09/14/2017 2:45:31 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Only their self-aggrandizement matters.)
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Of course it is amnesty. The main reason is supported Trump was to get rid of the “Dreamers” and other illegals, not giving special rewards to those who break our laws.


77 posted on 09/14/2017 2:46:12 PM PDT by apocalypto
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Don’t let Schumer and Pelosi throw you. They thought, if they came out with an outrageous statement, they’d put Trump in a corner.

But you can’t corner a Deplorable. Or fool one, either.

Steady on!


80 posted on 09/14/2017 3:02:00 PM PDT by blueplum ( "...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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To: Liz; AuntB; La Lydia; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

PING


83 posted on 09/14/2017 3:11:28 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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