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Trump Blasts Socialism at UN: ‘Failed Ideology’ that Causes ‘Poverty and Misery Everywhere’
breitbart ^ | BEN KEW

Posted on 09/19/2017 2:12:47 PM PDT by davikkm

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To: ForYourChildren

To the question: “How socialist are we?”

Here’s the thing...once you start handing out funding to build interstates, city streets, bridges, etc...it comes from taxation and comes under the socialism umbrella.

When you start providing student loans and grants...it comes from taxation and the socialism umbrella.

When you run a national farm subsidy program....it comes from taxes, and the socialism umbrella.

There are probably over fifty examples of this. But the secret to the system is that you have to have a trade-program, a manufacturing base, and open capitalism....in order that taxation can occur and distribution of taxes gives you the socialism umbrella. If you can’t manufacture or sell anything...socialism fails.

One can use Venezuela as an example of failure. They stepped into the middle of capitalism and felt government control and regulation would work. As the months went by...they ended up owning or controlling virtually everything...to include toilet paper. Well...it’s all a crisis now (not even enough toilet paper)...because they didn’t allow the capitalist system to work on it’s own. There’s no free money left.

You can go to Sweden, Denmark, or Finland and find where products are made, sold, and taxation occurs which pays for all the free-stuff. As long as the government apparatus doesn’t attempt to control the products...it’ll all continue like this.


41 posted on 09/20/2017 12:13:42 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Jim Robinson

Yes! Face still sore from grin cramps.


42 posted on 09/20/2017 2:47:11 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Kid Shelleen

I’ll help spread that - keep you the good work kid!


43 posted on 09/20/2017 6:41:14 AM PDT by datricker (The wall will protect the border and be a symbol the voters do have a say in their government.)
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To: ForYourChildren
Well if Venezuela is a 10 what we about a 4 France a 6 Canada a 5? What do you think? It gets weird though. There obviously are various degrees of socialism. For example all my life Canada has been more toward the socialism side but its very capitalistic and hasn't devolved or wanted to become Marxist. Perhaps thats my error in thinking Marxism is the result of turning socialism all the way up, you get Marxist communism.

This might be the case theoretically but with humans the reality is much more messy. China for example - what the hell type of communism is that. I remember watching some Chinese premier going on and on about communism with Chinese characteristics. Essentially capitalism without the capitalists and slave labor.

Some countries with great natural reasources have been able to pull off the quasi socialist fairly effectively - while we providing the defense and the muslims weren't invading. Those days are gone I think.

44 posted on 09/20/2017 6:51:56 AM PDT by datricker (The wall will protect the border and be a symbol the voters do have a say in their government.)
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To: datricker

“Well if Venezuela is a 10 what we about a 4 France a 6 Canada a 5? What do you think? It gets weird though. There obviously are various degrees of socialism.”

Yes.

The place to start is with the 10 planks of the communist manifesto. Most people would agree that this defines Marx socialist/communism.

We have implemented many planks completely and some mostly.

List the 10 planks here so we can look at them.


45 posted on 09/20/2017 6:56:09 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: Jim Robinson

Trump drives me nuts sometimes, but this was one of best speeches by any President. A real classic which made socialist monsters squirm.


46 posted on 09/20/2017 7:15:42 AM PDT by alstewartfan (We have no money but we stay afloat. The Jellyfishes don't scare us. Al Stewart from Red Toupee)
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To: datricker; pepsionice

here is a good exercise..

What is the “official” form of government in the US?

What is the form of government that we usually say the following countries have?

North Korea?
Iran?
China?
Soviet Union (doesn’t exist anymore, but still a good one for example)?


47 posted on 09/20/2017 7:30:35 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: datricker; pepsionice

And then...

What do the following countries all have exactly in common?

DPRK
IRAN
PRC
USSR


48 posted on 09/20/2017 7:32:56 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: ForYourChildren

USSR no longer exists (having dissolved in 1991). It’s basically a Republic shaped around a capitalist society today, with former KGB guys running around, billionaire oligarchs happily adapting to capitalism and hiding money over the globe, and a handful of Russian generals trying to run a 3rd world military. Elections come and go....Putin or an associate....are happily chosen to be the front man for the ‘mythical’ country.

DPRK is a one-man government...run by ‘rocketboy’. You can vote for ‘rocketboy’ year after year, and the system is neither socialist, capitalist or communist. It’s just a plain-vanilla dictatorship. ‘Rocketboy’ likes the NBA, enjoys attention, and would likely be described as a psychopath by licensed mental health professionals.

Iran on paper is a republic...as long as you only vote for approved candidates which the head mullah approve. Behind the scenes, the system is heavily capitalist...oil and agriculture drive the system. Curious enough, they among the few nations in the world with a flat-tax (25-percent of your income). Most Iranians will grin and tell you that a large amount of the population conduct business in cash...hiding profits, and avoid paying taxes.

Finally with the PRC....another republic. Again, certain individuals are approved to run for office, and you can only vote among them. The bulk of China today runs off capitalism. Cash-friendly transactions are appreciated, and a vast amount of the wealth of Chinese is hidden from the government.


49 posted on 09/20/2017 8:05:05 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: CottonBall

Is it ok to shorten this genius quote and still attribute it to President Trump? I’d like it as a tagline (see below).


50 posted on 09/20/2017 11:12:23 AM PDT by Yaelle (Socialism, faithfully implemented, delivers anguish and devastation. - President Trump)
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To: EarlyBird

My point is, that I trust Trump to speak for me.

Like I have never, ever trusted a politician before.


Me too. I was too young to appreciate Reagan.


51 posted on 09/20/2017 11:14:01 AM PDT by Yaelle (Socialism, faithfully implemented, delivers anguish and devastation. - President Trump)
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To: SecAmndmt
where government heavily influences who wins and who loses

That is unconstitutional government corruption.

You speak like a good Marxist who loved calling the free market economy "capitalism".

The issue here is a relatively simple one. Government regularly violates the Constitution by engaging in bribes and subsidies in the marketplace. The Constitution gives the feds no authority to do such. THAT is the problem. Free enterprise can AND SHOULD look to maximize its profits any way it legally can including from government.

"Crony capitalism" implies that big business are the bad guys. No, GOVERNMENT using OUR MONEY to meet GOVERNMENT SELF INTEREST/GREED through bribes and subsidies is the bad guy. Stop government bribes and subsidies, and special-interest companies will have to win in the marketplace through quality production and competitiveness. CORRUPT GOVERNMENT and their unconstitutional bribery IS the problem.

As far as social issues, free enterprise can do whatever they want legally - that's what freedom is. If a company threatens to abandon states which do not allow men to use the ladies’ room, that is their business and most likely at some point, their loss.

And unlike the government, companies that stubbornly pursue stupid, deviant goals will probably find themselves sooner or later out of business or close to it because the free market, unlike government, is VOLUNTARY COOPERATION between buyers and sellers. If the seller goes off the deep end, the buyer simply goes elsewhere.

You speak like someone who doesn't believe in freedom, which is what the free market economy is all about. Again, freedom isn't perfect but it is way freaking ahead of whatever's in second place.

In the meantime, to the degree you espouse phony Leftist ideas and labels like "corny capitalism", to that degree you are part of the problem rather than part of the solution.

52 posted on 09/20/2017 11:29:44 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Yaelle

Perfect!


53 posted on 09/20/2017 1:34:48 PM PDT by CottonBall (Thank you, Julian)
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