Skip to comments.Why Did the Islamic State Claim the Las Vegas Shooting? ("Converted to Islam months ago")
Posted on 10/02/2017 11:27:44 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
This morning, the Islamic States semi-official news agency, Amaq, took credit for the Las Vegas massacre, which killed 58 and wounded another 515. The likely killer, identified by police as 64-year-old Stephen Paddock of Mesquite, Nevada, was not known to be a supporter of the Islamic State, or indeed a Muslim of any type. For now, the only evidence that the Islamic State was involved is its own assurancefirst a press release announcing that a soldier of the Islamic State executed the concertgoers, and a follow-up for the baffled, explaining that he converted to Islam months ago. The FBI has stated that it doesnt believe the attack was related to international terrorism.
The sun has barely risen on Las Vegas, and there may be blood still slick on the Strip. Speculation about mass shootings in the hours after they occur is not just a fools game but an impatient fools. Evidence will be forthcoming, and these assertions by the Islamic State will be tested against reality. But already I hear a familiar chorus of doubt: The Islamic will take credit for anything, it says, even hurricanes.
The doubters do not have a preponderance of prior examples on their side. The Islamic State does not claim natural disasters. Its supporters rejoice in them, but they reserve their official media for intentional acts. Of course, insurance agents and Christians, too, sometimes consider the weather an act of God.
The vast majority of the Islamic States claimed attacks were undertaken by men acting in its name, often after leaving short video statements confirming their intentions. The Amaq news agency is the preferred venue for the initial claim, usually within a day. (Sloppy reporters sometimes mistake the rejoicing of online supporters, meteorological or not, for an official claim.) If they were really so promiscuous with their claims, we would long since have ignored them, as we do claims from other yahoos who have tried to take credit for atrocities authored by others. The idea that the Islamic State simply scans the news in search of mass killings, then sends out press releases in hope of stealing glory, is false. Amaq may learn details of the attacks from mainstream mediaand often gets those details wrong, also like mainstream mediabut its claim of credit typically flows from an Amaq-specific source.
This Las Vegas claim may yet turn out to be false as well. They have offered no evidenceno cell-phone video from the killer, pledging allegiance in broken Arabic; no selfies of him, raising a finger of monotheism. Another absent sign of Islamic State involvement is videos from Paddocks rifle-scope. At attacks like the Holey Bakery in Dhaka, Bangladesh, the killers have uploaded real-time images, exclusive and corroborating imagery for Amaq. As with many subsequently verified attacks, we have not yet, in these early hours, seen any such evidence.
If their claim is a rare false one, it will not even be the first false claim to feature a casino. In June, a gambling addict shot up and torched the Resorts World casino in Manila, Philippines. The Islamic State claimed credit, with a dubious follow-up alleging that Jessie Javier Carlos, 42, converted to Islam some months before, without telling anyone. That explanation appears to be a total lie. A false claim of credit in Las Vegas will effectively shred the Islamic States news agencys credibility. It will become a news agency that was once reliable, and now associates itself indiscriminately with heavily armed crazy people in casinos.
I see little advantage in such a shift. When Amaq claims an attack, it makes itself hostage to the facts that are revealed in the follow-up investigation. Its supporters are cautiously cheering Paddock, but even they will be chagrined if (for example) a manifesto comes out revealing that Paddock was not a jihadist but a psychopathic Christian, or if it is revealed that his snipers nest was littered with titty mags and the rum bottles from the minibar. According to reports, Paddock had recently gambled heavily. Gambling ranks with drinking among Islamic vices. He also appears to have killed himself, rather than waiting to be gunned down in typical Islamic State style.
The on-camera pledges of allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi that have accompanied other ISIS claims of responsibility have the effect of wiping clean the history of the attackersand preserving the credibility and reputation of the Islamic State. Porn and drinking can then be excused as habits of the past, even if the past was just last week. Having a clean perp, reborn as a soldier of the caliphate, makes the Amaq claim of credit safe, and unlikely to require regret later. As the facts emerge, well see whether this killing spree ends up reminding us to take Amaq seriously, or demonstrating that its standards have slipped beyond recovery.
Because it is free.
It’s possible or probable that they’re using Psychological warfare and taqiyya.
to make themselves seem more powerful and scary than they actually are.
It costs them nothing to claim responsibility.
The picture of the supposed ISIS shooter that was on another thread looks nothing like the 60 something guy the LV cops claim is the shooter. ISIS is either looking for headlines or this is more fake news.
Whenever you see mass shootings and murders, you will see ISIS claiming responsibility.
It’s their schtick. Take it with a grain of salt until there’s good evidence.
The article claims otherwise. They don’t just glom onto random attacks.
With all his social media contacts and likes of various left radical groups ( now purged by ?) its not at all unlikely that he communicated even informally with IS who uses social media to proseletyze and recruit
While this may not reach the level of “ muslim conversion” ISIS would embrace his actions and praise him even if they simply had him in their data base of sympathizers
Strangely enough, there appears to be another person of that same name (middle name is different but the initial is the same), but about 20 years younger and from Florida, who is an Islamic convert and even has a Muslim name - Samir al something.
The Israeli press reported this morning that Israeli secret services knew about this guy, and that was who they assumed it was. The report was taken down when his photo and local ID was shown.
So was this a case of mistaken ID, opportunistic claims by ISIS, or perhaps some utterly bizarre identity theft?
The whole thing was obviously planned well in advance, since there is no way they could have booked a room there and gotten the guns and platforms in at the last minute. ISIS made its Las Vegas threat in May.
Why did ISIS claim it?
Because orthodox Muslims LOVE the idea of anyone killing infidels.
Insurance agents consider EVERYTHING an 'Act of God'.
Insurance agent: Your is covered for EVERYTHING except 'Acts of God', wars, riots, insurrections and revolutions.
Homeowner: What are 'Acts of God'? Insurance Agent: Tornadoes, floods, hurricanes, hailstorms, thunderstorms, high winds, meteors, comets, firestorms, earthquakes, volcanoes and sinkholes. Homeowner: Just what AM I COVERED FOR? Insurance Agent: Everything else........................
This is the event that could easily trigger the General Confiscation. When you hear the screeching hysteria, you’ll know the process has begun.
The Atlantic's staff goes on the record here saying they believe it is rare that the Islamic State makes false claims.
W O W !
The Left will always out itself given time.
Why a lie?
1) Because ISIS follow the Koran’s instruction to lie.
2) Because they believe in “never let a crisis go to waste”
3) Because terror anywhere enables their “cause”.
“insurance agents and Christians, too, sometimes consider the weather an act of God. “
It is not insurance agents but lawyers and the courts that use the term “Act of God” in determining potential responsibility.
Insurance liability is just one item in which the “Act of God” principle may be relevant.
Truth and time will tell, assuming the powers that be tell us the truth.
Alex Jones much?
If they lie about it, too many times, they become a laughingstock and can no longer recruit.
There's a Freeper on another thread making the same claim.
ISIS hasn’t done this previously with one exception. Why lie now?
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.