Skip to comments.Vegas shooting-Trump left tongue-tied because he is part of problem(Barf alert)
Posted on 10/03/2017 3:42:33 PM PDT by Ennis85
LAS Vegas is the city that perhaps most obviously symbolises Americas love affair with the world of entertainment. Its themed hotels, the residencies of huge music stars, the casinos, the coloured illuminations: pulled together they offer the chance to be thrilled and, if youre lucky, get rich all under the gaze of a thousand fluorescent light bulbs. Now, however, Vegas is facing up to a much darker reality following the death of dozens of concertgoers at the hands of a mass murderer. The city that styles itself as the entertainment capital of the world is also now the holder of a much less wanted title as the site of Americas deadliest shooting. In the immediate aftermath of the killings, seemingly perpetrated by a man shooting into a crowd from his hotel room, thoughts turn to those who have died or been injured, and to the emergency services who have faced a scene of barely imaginable horror. How, we must all wonder, could a person inflict such deliberate pain and suffering on people innocently enjoying a musical show? It is a question we have asked in the UK this year too.
Donald Trump took to Twitter to offer his warm condolences to the victims, in a turn of phrase that was archetypically odd. Notably he made no immediate comment about the identity of the killer, said to be a local white man in his sixties, who does not fit Trumps vision of a terrorist. There will be much debate about Trumps reaction and about the terminology used to describe this tragedy. Unavoidable too will be a reopening of that grand old American pastime: debating whether gun laws are to blame for a massacre. The regulations in Nevada are lax, even by US standards. Permits and licences are, it seems, an unnecessary burden for people who want to hang around town tooled up to the nines. State law makes no particular reference to automatic weapons of the sort which appear to have been used in this incident, although federal legislation prohibits the possession of fully automatic weapons unless they were registered before 1986.
In some ways though, the legal minutiae can be a distraction. The basic facts are that gun homicides in America run into the thousands every year more than 12,000 in 2015, up markedly on the previous year. The number of suicides by shooting is also staggering: more than 22,000 in 2015. All in all, up to 100,000 people annually will die or be injured as the result of gun use. All four of the biggest mass killings have happened in the past decade. True, Americas annual firearm-related death rate (10.54 per 100,000 of population in 2014) compares well to some other countries if those other countries happen to be Brazil (21.2) or El Salvador (45.6 in 2011). But set against France (2.83 in 2012), the UK (0.23 in 2011) or Australia (0.93 in 2013), it would take an ideologue or a madman to conclude that US gun policy is serving the country well. President Obama recognised the lunacy of Americas attitude to guns. His rage at the deaths witnessed during his time in office became ever more apparent with every highprofile shooting; yet the rage was matched only by his inability to bring about sufficiently substantive change. Obamas successor is not cut from the same cloth; indeed, he has rallied the gun lobby to his side, declaring in a speech to the National Rifle Association (NRA) in April that his election had brought an eight-year assault on gun ownership rights to a crashing end. He has regularly trotted out the line beloved of those who support the right to bear arms that if more people carried weapons there would be more good guys around to head off the bad guys when they strike. It is intellectual gibberish of the highest order.
The other favoured mantra of the NRA and its fans is that it isnt guns that kill, its humans, which would be laughable for its disingenuousness if the consequences werent so severe. Trump will doubtless tell the world that this incident was the act of a lone wolf, perhaps a man who was mentally unstable. Maybe we will find out that the killer had access to an unlawful weapon. We may find he had ideological motives too. Trump will find excuses to avoid pinning responsibility on the USs constitutional attachment to deadly firearms. The truth that Trump will not face up to is that Americas disastrous relationship with guns is getting worse. Indeed, he cannot face up to it; because he, the entertainer-president, arch-appeaser of the gun lobby, is part of the problem.
The politicizing of tragedy makestrel me despise he or she who does it.
The ignorant is strong with this one. American homicide rates dropped steadily for years, until BLM scared off police departments from proactive policing, and that has resulted in an increase - but that has nothing to do with the number of guns in this country. And France's ban on semi-automatic weapons did not prevent four recent gun massacres, as well as other forms of violence such as truck attacks. The problem is not in the laws, it is in those ill in the heat and hard in the heart.
Lefty logic they live by...
If the shooter is a registered Democrat, will they call for banning Democrats?
PRESIDENT Trump was not tongue tied at all.
He was elegant, Presidential, succoring and comforting. If there was ANY expectation of ANY President since Washington, our President met any and all.
The father of the Democratic Party, Satan, is to blame.
, Americas annual firearm-related death rate (10.54 per 100,000 of population in 2014) compares well to some other countries if those other countries happen to be Brazil (21.2) or El Salvador (45.6 in 2011). But set against France (2.83 in 2012), the UK (0.23 in 2011) or Australia (0.93 in 2013),
10.5 is closer to 2.83 than it is 21.2 or 45.6. We have a different form of government beginning with the Constitution and its God given inalienable rights. Folks that disagree with the 2nd Amendment basically disagree with freedom. They are much more closely aligned with the forms of government in these other countries. If they disagree they can openly and forthrightly try to change the Constitution rather than ignore it or have some judge make up law. Or, they could move if it is that important to them.
People that attack the vulnerable, whether cheating them, abusing them or killing them in some fashion are the problem.
Excuse me, Mohamed wants to use the lorry this weekend. He’s going to stop by the cutlery shop with a couple of his friends first... Yep, yep, it’s the guns who drive trucks into people, not people...
Will Gore? Al’s dumber brother?
If you take out suicides and black-on-black crime, our firearms death rates compares favorably to European countries. That is the reality the gun grabbers and BLM types want to ignore.
I think this putzhead is a Limey, not a Mick.
The other favoured mantra of the NRA and its fans is that it isnt guns that kill, its humans..
Dipstick can’t even get the slogan right.
Unlike the rest of Europe, long gun ownership is possible in Ireland. Getting a rifle or shotgun (very popular as they don’t have wild game on the huff) is the equivalent of getting a concealed carry permit here.
I’ve been in a gun store in Ireland, but I’ve never seen a gun, by law the guns have to be in a vault -because of past IRA thefts. You have to be licensed to even enter the vault, me as a foreign national -no way I’m allowed in the vault. But, I had a good long conversation with the owner.
Long story short. The Irish still enjoy gun rights unheard of in Europe.
The Irish Independant would like that to end also.
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