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Posted on 10/05/2017 12:25:22 PM PDT by Bob Celeste
from the facebook page of Lloyd Acree.......Take it from 8 years' professional Marine Corps machine gunnery and marksmanship expertise:
Having trained to pro military "expert"-grade skill sets on rifle marksmanship and multiple machine guns in the Marine Corps infantry, I quickly started noticing a fowl odor in the news narrative on this Vegas massacre. The following are the weapons I am tired of shooting copious rounds through on both known and unknown distance ranges, running, hiking and training with, disassembling and reassembling, etc. Notice they all shoot automatic or can if switched over. - M249 Squad Automatic Weapon (full automatic) - M4/M16 (3-round auto) - M240G/B (full automatic) - IAR M27 (full automatic, top-dollar M16 variant)
I spent 8+ years training and shooting to military specs, not only with these machine guns but also pistols, shotguns and explosive weapons, not counting heavier machine guns and robotic mounting equipment used in private contracting overseas after my military service.
Now the distance shot from the Vegas hotel to the "Village" concert of about 400-500 yards would be too familiar with a single-shot AR15 to any Marine, but that is our **farthest** distance that we qualify with in the Marine Corps (people look like tiny letter i's in the distance at this point). We never shoot full automatic at this range unless we are using an imprecise burst to keep the enemy pinned, and that is only if your weapon is heavily secured to mitigate all the recoil. You just can't expect many kills at 500 yards even with a properly sighted slow fire rifle. But I will get back to this.
Now as a former point man, machine gunner, team leader, and assistant patrol leader, my ability to plan and implement these weapons is comparable with what we saw occur there in Las Vegas. Notice I did not say that the shooting was better than my abilities, but neither am I saying I could do a lot better - what I have observed as video/audio evidence is simply run-of-the-mill shooting. For Marines in the infantry, that is, IF they have professionally adjusted optics sighted to their preferred distance for engagement AND high quality vise-like stabilization. I knew something wasn't right when I kept hearing survivors say that their friends had received multiple bullets to the same body part. For example, one guy said his friend took three bullets to the chest--all while he was standing next to his friend! This means the man was shot three times all at once in the same burst, OR he was shot near-simultaneously by multiple shooters (that tends to happen if you are in the open wearing a red shirt or stand out for some similar reason). Then, another witness said he saw a man with four bullets in his head. I doubt it was actually four but obviously there were multiple holes there. These shot groupings at that distance from the hotel, considering this is a real-life killing, are already professional rate even with just a semi-automatic. But this is also full auto?
You might have already guessed, yes I knew right away the shooter was using a tripod or similar gear to stabilize the gun(s). But that alone is not enough to achieve both the high rate of fire and precision accuracy that occurred in Vegas. Only a precision-sighted rifle with a quality optic can drill those kinds of groupings at such a distance, but there's more--the longevity and redundancy of machine gun fire. This accuracy was no trick of a semi-auto trigger, as using a bump stock requires extra manipulation of the foregrip to slap the trigger against the finger (which would entail pulling against the tripod instead of leaning into it), instead of squeezing it smoothly as should be done for precise shot groups. In any case there was no accuracy to be had here in conventional light-weight full automatic gunfire, no matter how good the scope was, because a light-weight rifle such as the AR15 will rock and "climb" in direct proportion to the recoil of the rounds being fired. In other words, you can't stabilize your shots if your weapon isn't heavy, or at least locked down to something heavy, and if he was using a bump stock then we have to rule out that necessary stability.
Further, this man in his mid-60s who has sat for years in the seat of an accountant's desk, supposedly carried all these long-barreled weapons, ammo, and gear through the hotel by himself? He always kept his guns hidden from room service and his hefty logistics never tipped off the security guards?
This would all just be a conspiracy theory except that we also have footage proving that it was indeed multiple shooters from different locations around the building (see link below).
Who would conspire to sell this false story and cover up the real shooters?
We know that the leftist institutions, mainstream media (operation mockingbird), and the military industrial Congressional complex, funded and manipulated by deep state non-elected officials with immense power (aka "the swamp"), are all in cahoots to paint Donald Trump in a bad light no matter what happens. We know they want him impeached for the desperate, unsubstantiated accusation that he used Russian support to be elected (yet the Saudis are hand-in-glove with these accusers just as they funded our DNC candidates' campaigns). Do you really think that they would be so far from slaughtering a hundred country music fans if it meant they regained the helm of the entire US government? And now you see they are ramping up their push to take away America's guns. Why? Once we are under the boot, no one can stop a kangaroo court of corrupt officials from indicting Trump on baseless lies. At that point, there will be no bill of rights left, either. As if we still even have one after all the damage inflicted by the far-reaching patriot act.
These conspirators know they have to use a dramatic shooting like this one if they are to gain further ground: the public must receive a traumatic sensory immersion that scars our memory and thus eclipses the factual myriad stories we have of mom-and-pop locals stopping crime with their concealed carry pistols or home owners' shotguns. Law-abiding gun owners across the nation save lives in vastly variegated situations which is easy to read about if you simply keep in the know, but if you are informed only by the opinionated Hollywood celebs then, by all means, "big brother" is the only one who should have all the firepower. Because, you know, absolute power tends to soothe the bureaucratic soul into absolute moderation, or something like that.
This is not a legality problem: it's mass hysteria deliberately triggered by national terrorism to achieve population controls. This is precisely the definition of terrorism: to achieve political agendas by the use of violence and the fear of it! The bravest thing we can do is assert our rights and our human dignity, keep our minds sharp, and maintain our weapons to always war against true fascism--the very darkness this country was founded to fight.
Fear-driven abandonment is not the answer, just as big brother is never your friend.
- Lloyd Acree
IMO the shooter did not need to strive for accuracy. If only a third of his bullets found their mark in that crowd, that’s still a lot of strikes. A panicked crowd stampede did the rest.
The guy has 20,000 targets and 72 minutes. Shocked he didn’t kill more. This was like shooting fish in a barrel so I don’t buy this story.
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So... the stadium scene.
I rather doubt that any such proof exists.
Check out Got News. They claim otherwise.
I have some military training, and I majored in mathematics and know something of probability.
It is true that accuracy at 500 yards with assault rifles shooting on a simulated fully automatic would suck.
But the shot grouping is not necessarily a function of accuracy, but of rate of fire and luck. If one person is hit by three bullets and another by 3...out of dozens of bullets spayed all at once, there is no evidence that the bullets weren't distributed fairly randomly in the area around them.
Moreover his contention that a non-military person would lack the logistical skill to smuggle that much equipment in is just stupid. Just about anybody could figure out how to just hide stuff in a lot of suitcases and take a lot of suitcases up. When they hell have you seen hotel personel checking suitcases when one checks in? Or counting them? Or counting how many trips one makes? He wasn't boarding an airplane.
His claimed expertise is being pushed way too far.
It was an area target. He had optics and a tripod.
Fish in a barrel comes to mind.
He did not have to shoot at individual targets.
The fellow is talking about a single person as a target, not a dense crowd. That changes things completely. That is the sort of target that never happens (anymore) in warfare. Aiming is irrelevant, as the target is not an individual but at worst clumps of people many yards around.
As for not being caught by hotel staff, the guy checked in with 10 bags. Hotel staff helped him to his room. He declined cleaning services and would not allow room service food delivery into his room. So there may well be an issue with staff training. But if you have been to Vegas, they are very busy and they see all kinds of weird stuff. As an example, O.J. went to a Vegas hotel room where they were selling sports memorabilia to steal his stuff back. I imagine those guys had a lot of bags to transport their goods.
I have some faith the investigation will reveal the truth. But to the point of the article, I was in the Army for 22 years, I qualified on a lot of weapons. I was the Range Officer for the SRT for a couple of years at one duty station. And I was on the Commanding Generals Pistol Team at Ft. Belvoir many years ago. I don't know the truth yet, but I am not seeing Rambo here. JMHO.
No truer words were ever spoken.
Bears repeating, endlessly.
He only fired for 10 minutes.
four rounds fully auto at 400 yards and all four hit the head?
Exactly. All you have to do is point the gun in the general direction of that crowd, and you’ll hit many people.
Tripod a must? I don’t think so. Could he have used one? Sure.
As for all the guns he lugged in, how many were long guns?
It will be interesting when the list is revealed. He could have put a number of guns into a bag, and simply moved them on a cart.
Some people request no housekeeping on a daily basis, for privacy concerns.
If asked what was so heavy, he could have stated he was getting ready for an event, and had lots of equipment.
Where did you get 72 minutes, it was like 12 or maybe under ten.
Sounds also like possibly an egotistical commando brain who writes in plenty of First Person style, happy to demonstrate how much he knows, what he opines, and therefore we must bank all of it, forthwith.
I really prefer generally to see and hear who it is speaking.
Did you read the part about multiple hits on the same body part?
Granted, it might be that the witnesses were not actually seeing what they thought they were seeing, but if a guy really was shot multiple times in the chest almost simultaneously, it means the narrative we are getting is a crock. But that is a big “if”. It’s more likely the witnesses were misinterpreting what they were seeing.
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