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1 posted on 10/05/2017 2:50:12 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

One thing that I have always adored about Free republic is the vast quantity of thoughtful and informed analysis and information about a multiplicity of subjects. I am EXTREMELY disappointed about much of the bumpfire stock controversy. Much of it sounds has though it was promulgated by the ignorant gun grabbing left.

I am a 2 tour Vietnam infantry combat veteran, and a member of the Illinois National guard for 26 years, to include service in Iraq and the first Gulf War. I was a certified Illinois State Police Firearms and Defensive tactics instructor, and a member of Special Reaction and SWAT teams. I have fired hundreds of thousands of rounds through automatic weapons of all types, belt fed and shoulder mounted, ranging from .45 caliber M-3 sub machine guns up to M2A1 40 mm twin anti-aircraft guns mounted on an M-42 self propelled anti-aircraft gun.

I am retired and spend one day a month on the rifle range shooting my AR-15 rifles. When this slide fire device was first introduced, the low cost and novelty intrigued me and I purchased one. It was a bit awkward to use at first, but in one afternoon, after a bit of practice I was able to get 90% of any length burst on a man sized target at 75 yards, which is close to the normal engagement ranges for truly effective full auto fire from shoulder mounted weapons. It is not as useful has a true selective fire assault rifle since it requires two hands to employ, but it DOES have some measure of limited tactical utility for anyone who practices with it. I never really considered this item to be a true tactical instrument, but I did appreciate the ingenuity and thought that went into turning “bump fire’ into almost as accurate a technique has I could use with a true select fire assault rifle.

The battle has been joined. The anti-gun hysterics are in full cry. They will never satisfied until they achieve near total firearm confiscation. The genie is out of the bottle. You cannot stop psychopaths employing bump fire methods unless you can repeal the laws of Newtonian physics. I realize that some sort of regulation will ensue in the wake of this horrific atrocity. But i don’t like it one damn bit.

If they do this, then they should compromise by repealing the 1986 Hughes Act which caused the prices of full auto weapons to skyrocket. There is NO REASON for a legally transferable M-16 to cost over 50,000 dollars. You can be assured that any such owner will be thoroughly vetted by the background check that would be required to purchase one.


2 posted on 10/05/2017 2:58:07 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: Kaslin

Beware and be alert!!! The real target is semi-automatic rifles and pistols.


4 posted on 10/05/2017 3:09:58 PM PDT by myerson
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I just have to keep telling myself how much worse it would be with a President Hillary and/or a Democrat congress. We are still giving things up and getting nothing in return but, perhaps, we aren’t giving up as much as we might be otherwise. Still, I see RINOs taking a knee on the field and letting Dems have a free touchdown and I’m going to remember their names come election time-especially if 2 years have gone by and national concealed carry reciprocity hasn’t passed.


5 posted on 10/05/2017 3:12:43 PM PDT by RC one (The 2nd Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances)
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The NRA is going to douche out in the clutch eh?


15 posted on 10/05/2017 4:21:10 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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Let’s say that it was illegal to manufacture bump stocks. How hard would it be to make a home made bump stock without using a digital printer?


17 posted on 10/05/2017 4:43:44 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Mozart tells you what it's like to be human. Bach tells you what it's like to be the universe)
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My oldest son and I were out in my yard shooting one day a few years back. We were shooting two semi auto pistols and an M-1 carbine.

We had finished serious shooting, and were just having fun bump firing them. It was relatively easy to learn.

It also made some nosy neighbor scared. Two State Troopers came sliding into my yard and bailed out with their hands on their pistols. They asked what we were shooting and we showed them. They said someone had called in and reported machine gun fire.

We all had a good laugh and the cops suggested we go a little farther out away from people. Great fun, but inaccurate as all get out. Make sure you have plenty of backstop, as you are responsible for that bullet after it leaves the barrel.

PS: I was doing it at a little range out the road. No cops this time, but a woman asked my wife if it was a machine gun.

I guess if you have never been around an MG, it might sound like one.

19 posted on 10/05/2017 5:32:40 PM PDT by snowtigger (Deplorable, and proud of it!!)
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“In short, there should be no ban or review. The federal government has already done this ... Let’s not cede the high ground.”

Totally agree with everything Kaslin wrote here.

Trouble is, it’s not a case of being stalwart until BATFE concedes the obvious. In that sense, there is no “high ground” here nor anyplace else.

BATFE makes occasional efforts to appear as if it was a conscientious agency providing a true “service” to the gunmaking industry and federally licensed dealers, helping them navigate the tangled undergrowth of rules.

But the truth is, gunmakers and dealers and everyone else involved do what “the agency” says or they will be forced out of business, or even serve prison time. There is no cooperation, no common ground. BATFE has repeatedly said it can never be bound by any previous decision on rules interpretation, and its “customers” are on their own: guilty until proven innocent, intent never a factor. They have entire squadrons of attorneys to whip up any argument needed, to support whichever interpretation they want at any given moment. Appeals are allowed, but in practice appellants never win.

The case of the original FAL models is notorious. These FN-made rifles - collector items all - have changed status from “machine gun” to plain old semi-auto, and back, several times.

Officials are never intellectually honest and they never admit a mistake.


23 posted on 10/05/2017 7:03:37 PM PDT by schurmann
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