Posted on 10/14/2017 5:36:03 AM PDT by markomalley
It’s official: changes are being made to training at Marine Corps Recruit Depots Parris Island and San Diego.
According to a Marine Corps news release Thursday, recruits arriving in November will be the first to experience the changes, which include the addition of a fourth phase and moving up the Crucible in the training cycle.
The Crucible, the grueling 54-hour teamwork and combat skills exercise that is a recruit’s final test before earning the title of Marine, will still occur near the end of the 13-week training cycle, but a week earlier than it does now.
The “fourth phase will utilize the six F’s of Marine Leader Development framework: Fidelity, Fighter, Fitness, Family, Finances and Future,” according to the release.
“Marines will be in small groups covering subjects that are critical to success and growth in all aspects of their personal and professional lives.”
The addition of the fourth phase, the final two weeks of training, came in response to Marine Corps leadership’s observations “that Marines were struggling both physically and mentally at training after boot camp,” and had not adjusted to their new identities as Marines.
“We ask these young men and women to grow up really fast,” Commandant of the Marine Corps Gen. Robert Neller told the Marine Corps Times in an exclusive interview Thursday. “They’ve made the transformation from recruit to Marine and then we shoot them out the door. What we’re trying to do is give them a little bit of time to get used to that and understand that OK, you’ve got your eagle, globe and anchor, you’ve earned the title ‘Marine,’ that’s just the beginning.
“Now it’s actually going to become more difficult because more and more of the responsibility to live up to being a Marine, to live a life of honor, courage and commitment, is more and more going to be on your shoulders,” Neller continued.
The graduation requirements and number of training days remain the same, according to Neller.
What did obama NOT touch with his dirty hands?
As one who did not serve, I ask is this change more social justice mumbo jumbo or is it needed to keep the grunts more free from worries so they can better do their jobs?
As long as they’re getting the same tough training, adding some discussion on finances and family as a marine might be good.
We did have to sit through a lot of classes about alcohol abuse and stuff like that not related to combat training, so who knows what this new program will do.
Hard charging may now refer to use of credit?
so is this gonna be more pro homo and tranny stuff? Ugh.
I would have to learn more but on the surface, I don't see a problem with adding that fourth phase. Chances are, many Marines would not have obtained these values from the public schools and broken families they came from.
I was in the Marine Corps during the 1980s (Parris Island) and I was surprised with how poorly most Marines handled their finances. Some fellow Marines would have me hold on to their money for them so they didn't spend it all before the next payday. Many of us (at least on the enlisted side) came from single parent families that were either working class poor or just plain poor.
So let's not knock it until we hear more about it. This is not Obama's military anymore.
First off, I was not a Marine, but I did spend more than 20 years in the Navy and and as a CPO, SCPO, and MCPO saw so many young men and women fresh out of pipeline training that had virtually zero financial or community skills. They often struggled and many got in big trouble, primarily financially. So we in the Fleet had to either help or flush the ones that we felt were worth saving or not. Bottom line is I think this is a good move on the Marines’ part, as long as it does not impinge on the war fighting training.
Wait until Capt WeWaWes Jr gets them in his command.
What can a couple week acclimation period hurt.
" The addition of the fourth phase, the final two weeks of training, came in response to Marine Corps leadership’s observations “that Marines were struggling both physically and mentally at training after boot camp,” and had not adjusted to their new identities as Marines.
“We ask these young men and women to grow up really fast,” Commandant of the Marine Corps Gen. Robert Neller told the Marine Corps Times in an exclusive interview Thursday. “They’ve made the transformation from recruit to Marine and then we shoot them out the door. What we’re trying to do is give them a little bit of time to get used to that and understand that OK, you’ve got your eagle, globe and anchor, you’ve earned the title ‘Marine,’ that’s just the beginning."
I think this is a good thing. You are a kid coming out of high school and you know absolutely nothing about life other than hanging out with your girl and drinking with the guys behind the bleachers. You go into a field where the only thing you know is how to kill the enemy and how to be self disciplined.
A few years go by and now you are back in the real world, having to get a job and figure out what to do with your life and unless you are in for 20+ years, there is little prospect. Maybe go to college, find a job in the trade you were taught unless you were infantry or decide to reenlist because there is nothing out there.
When I got out of the AF in 1983, the only thing I knew how to do was work on nuclear weapons. There wasn’t much of a market for us. I managed to figure it out, but it took several years and I had a supporting family behind me. Some don’t.
“Now it’s actually going to become more difficult because more and more of the responsibility to live up to being a Marine, to live a life of honor, courage and commitment, is more and more going to be on your shoulders,”
I think that very neatly sums up a lot of my frustration being on the school board and seeing no good (imo) in the graduates we turn out into society.
“It’s official: changes are being made to training at Marine Corps Recruit Depots Parris Island and San Diego.”
That could be the caption for all sorts of photoshop...
Sounds good. Is it? Or is it something else?
Agree. The public schools are so bad that the Marines probably need to incorporate financial literacy and other basic life skills into their training. Our so called educational system is a farce. The Marines will find it challenging to undo the 12 year indoctrination process that many recruits have been subjected to. Unfortunately, those with some college probably have the same deficiencies and social baggage when they enter boot camp.
And yes, thank God (and Trump) that this is not Obama's military anymore.
I was in the Navy.
I still think it would be a low cost, excellent way to improve the quality of recruits *before* they arrive for basic training, for the Pentagon to open “semi-private” camps for prospective enlisted personnel.
Basically, all you need are some wooden barracks, a mess hall and dispensary, and all run by *combat veterans*, surrounded by a fence. The trainees wear their own gear, and non-participation, insubordination, or other failure means they are booted out and lose their enlistment.
The emphasis for these camps would be weight loss, an increasing problem, through individual diet programs; an exercise regimen, to get those that really need it up to shape; and a remedial classroom, to insure that they are literate, can do essential math and other intellectual skills; with bonus (audit) instruction about their branch of the military’s traditions, history, and culture.
The idea is that “a rising tide raises all ships”. The better the recruits going into basic training, the better the results you will get from basic training, including improved performance standards.
As “semi-private” institutions, they are not stuck with any of the destructive Obama policies, they do not have to admit anyone they do not want to, and are in competition with other camps for *reputation*. Potential enlistees will have to compete with each other to get the camp they want.
As far as the veterans go, they can be as “Jack Webb” as they want, or they can be more laid back, *as long as they get results*. Judged by the performance of their trainees once they get to basic training. Courses could last a month, two months, or six months (for hard cases with specialty skills needed by the service).
All told, this would be a very cheap way of getting the military up to better standards, and quickly.
The fact that we used to put kids (18 plus) almost directly into society with family, farm and responsibility (read about the old West and the beginnings of not only OUR "American civilization", but others world wide as well) ... and as a race, we managed to survive in spite of ourselves.
I have of late (and I'm a 70 yo born again Christian) been re-evaluating my opinion(s) about the age of maturity and when people should marry and have children .... I'm beginning to side with the 17 yo instead of the 21 yo (numbers chosen for comparative purposes) .... which is a surprise to me.
If a child is reared in a God fearing and teaching environment and disciplined to be an adult in thought (civic sense especially), there's no reason to hold back a natural inclination for younger people to "get it together" sooner rather than later.
MY experience on a public school board is that the graduates are still children in almost every way and have no adult concepts to support their thinking or decision making and are thus sent out to the world or college a larger version of the child that entered 7th grade.
Anyway, that's the thinking this article triggered.
I'm Army (65-68) but always admired Marines for the obvious male badass and the coolest looking uniforms of all the branches.
/8^)
i did n’t say it wasn’t good... i was just wondering if this was promoting homo stuff.
I agree lots and lots of folks don’t know how to get by in real life.
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