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Settlement: Red River determines Texas, federal boundaries
Amarillo Globe-News ^ | November 9, 2017 03:51 pm | DAVID WARREN

Posted on 11/12/2017 12:17:02 PM PST by Texas Fossil

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To: mad_as_he$$

Did Jeff Sessions wake up from his nap to weigh in on this? You know since he’s been oh so busy busting up the marijuana rings and all


21 posted on 11/12/2017 2:21:06 PM PST by Jarhead9297
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To: Hootowl99
Rivers and Lakes and streams as boundaries were common as boundary lines.........way before Jefferson.

I believe there have been several suits along the Rio Grande.

22 posted on 11/12/2017 2:47:02 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Hootowl99

http://scholarship.law.berkeley.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1340&context=bjil


23 posted on 11/12/2017 2:52:38 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: MagUSNRET

I own some of that land in question

The feds can kiss my rosy red butt


24 posted on 11/12/2017 3:10:28 PM PST by advertising guy (The Media lie 90 % of the time , the other 10% , they haven't lied yet)
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To: Hootowl99

Well, under the Louisiana Purchase, all of the Red River valley should have belonged to the US since the Red River flows into the Mississippi River, but the Adams-Onis Treaty of 1819 made the Red River the border between the US and Spanish territory (soon to be Mexican territory), which is where the current Texas/Oklahoma border on the Red River comes from. So John Quincy Adams deserves some of the credit or blame.


25 posted on 11/12/2017 3:36:34 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus
Thanks... I knew Thomas Jefferson kicked off the specification for the boundary via the Louisiana Purchase treaty and suspected there were some refinements following along later that I did not know of.

Again, thanks and I are smarter now. lol.... And, John Quincy Adams was an amazing person.

26 posted on 11/12/2017 4:48:25 PM PST by Hootowl99
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To: Sacajaweau; Verginius Rufus
Thanks and you're absolutely correct. See my 26 to Verginius Rufus. Appreciate your link too.
27 posted on 11/12/2017 4:52:18 PM PST by Hootowl99
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To: Verginius Rufus

https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/upr02


28 posted on 11/12/2017 5:44:36 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Texas Fossil

OK, but this seems to contradict a Supreme Court ruling from about 20 years ago.

The boundary between Kentucky and Indiana is the north shore of the Ohio River and Kentucky sued to stop an Indiana nuclear power plant’s discharge into the Ohio River. The Supreme Court ruled that the boundary is the 1792 boundary when Kentucky became the 15th state, not the current shore of the river, which is a little farther north.


29 posted on 11/12/2017 5:47:29 PM PST by libertylover (Kurt Schlicter: "They wonder why they got Trump. They are why they got Trump")
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To: libertylover

South of Evansville, there is land north of the Ohio River which is part of Kentucky.


30 posted on 11/12/2017 6:45:28 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: libertylover

The issue of the boundaries are determined by old treaties and by agreements by the States of Texas and Oklahoma.

NOT by the BLM. This dispute was an attempt for the BLM to confiscate property outside their authority.

There is no standard method of determining borders of states within the US. Remember, Texas was once a Republic. Treaties were signed defining borders after the Revolution with Mexico and at the time of annexation with the U.S.

Texas and Oklahoma worked out their disputed boundary.

The court ruled that the BLM made a mistake in their involvement. i.e. had no authority to confiscate Texas or Oklahoma land.


31 posted on 11/12/2017 7:41:37 PM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: vetvetdoug
" from Vernon through Burkburnett towards Waurika "

I remember Burkburnett and Vernon/Waurika too. I was stationed at Sheppard AFB and bought a 1969 Chevelle Malibu from Mathis Chevrolet in Burkburnett, Nov of 69. I still own that car! Fathom Green 2dr hard top, 350/300 hp, 350THD trany, bucket seats, AM/FM w/8track stereo. It's up on jacks and covered in my garage right now, waiting for the 2018 car show season.

I still remember the first time I saw it at the dealership. I knew I'd always own that car & never sell it! 48 years tomorrow, 13 Nov 69.

32 posted on 11/12/2017 7:49:54 PM PST by crazy scenario ( )
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To: crazy scenario

I bought a midnight blue Malibu SS when the brand first came out, late 1963. Paid $3290 sticker. Not long after I bought it, a flywheel bolt came out. Every now and then, the flywheel teeth would pick up the bolt a give it spin around the housing, sounding like a machine gun.

Eventually, after beating on the housing for a few months, the bolt blew a little hole in the housing and egressed.

I loved that car. First brand-new one I ever bought.


33 posted on 11/12/2017 8:02:08 PM PST by sparklite2 (-)
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OK, if the river moved 2 miles and the BLM wanted to take the TX side land, who lost their land on the other side of the river?


34 posted on 11/12/2017 8:02:24 PM PST by az_gila
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To: sparklite2
"First brand-new one I ever bought. 

I loved that car. "

My Malibu was the first brand-new car I had bought.

My wife thinks I'm going request to be buried in that Malibu........Hmmmmm.....Naw!

35 posted on 11/12/2017 8:24:51 PM PST by crazy scenario ( )
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To: crazy scenario

LOL


36 posted on 11/12/2017 8:33:38 PM PST by sparklite2 (-)
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To: Hootowl99

Thanks for understanding.

The difference between TX and OK?

Not much. Name and color of football teams? smile. (I am not a sports fan of any type)

We lived in OK for 7 years. Friendliest people in the world. We loved it there.


37 posted on 11/13/2017 4:28:12 AM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Texas Fossil

I’m glad some judges remain who know how to adjuducate property rights regarding land survey.

I bump into young PLSs who don’t even recognize, possibly even know about Section Markers.


38 posted on 11/13/2017 4:38:06 AM PST by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: Verginius Rufus
South of Evansville, there is land north of the Ohio River which is part of Kentucky.

I didn't know that, but I see it on the Google Map.

Also, there's a little portion of Kentucky in the extreme southwestern corner which is only accessible by passing through another state, TN or MO.

Also I see on the map there's a little bit of Kentucky that's actually WEST of the Mississippi River. I didn't know that either.

39 posted on 11/13/2017 9:06:52 AM PST by libertylover (Kurt Schlicter: "They wonder why they got Trump. They are why they got Trump")
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To: libertylover
The Kentucky/Tennessee state line is a bit odd...it is a few miles north of where it should be in the eastern and central areas, then is exactly at 36 degrees 30 minutes in the western area (Jackson Purchase)...that little piece of detached Kentucky is just north of 36-30. The surveyors for the eastern and central parts of the line were perhaps having a bit too much whiskey on the job...the line zigs and zags a bit.

All along the Mississippi there are bits of land that are separated from the rest of their state by the river, because of the river changing course since the state boundaries were set.

40 posted on 11/13/2017 11:45:41 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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