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Turkey Is Interested in Buying Surplus USMC AV-8B Harriers, Others Likely To Follow
The Drive ^ | December 6, 2017 | Tyler Rogoway

Posted on 12/07/2017 8:22:19 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

With F-35B production ramping up, the AV-8 Harrier is entering into the twilight of its service with the United States Marine Corps. By most accounts, America's Harrier fleet has quite a bit of life left in it, especially considering Pentagon picked up the UK's entire fleet of 74 Harriers, many of which were very young, and all the spare parts that went with them, for cost of roughly 1.35 F-35Bs at today's prices, or a paltry $177M.

As a result, large quantities of surplus Harriers and ample stocks of spare parts are likely to be put up for sale by the DoD in the coming years. Considering the jet's unique short-takeoff and vertical landing (STOVL) abilities and its most recent upgrades—in the AV-8B+'s case this includes the ability to execute beyond-visual range air-to-air combat by employing the AIM-120 AMRAAM with their APG-65 radar sets—they represent an attractive and affordable acquisition opportunity for foreign air arms.

Tyler Rogoway/Author

According to Jane's, Turkey is interested in purchasing a number of these soon to be surplus jump-jets to serve as an interim capability before possibly executing an F-35B purchase. This would be in addition to their already sizable F-35A order of 100 airframes. Supposedly Ankara is eyeing somewhere around 20 F-35Bs, so procuring a similar amount of second-hand AV-8Bs makes sense, although we don't know the exact number they are interested in at this time.

US Navy

Turkey won't likely be the last country interested in America's Harriers. The type could also offer a relatively cheap option for countries wanting to acquire more potent amphibious capabilities, yet alone a proven ground attack platform with rudimentary air-to-air capability as well. Some countries even have amphibious assault ships that may be able to accommodate Harriers. Australia even has their license-built Canberra class, which is based on a Spanish design, that features a ski jump, but they have no fixed-wing STOVL aircraft capable of using it.

Other countries that put a high value on dispersed and austere operations could also be Harrier bargain hunters. Taiwan in particular could benefit from the Harrier's capabilities and some cash-flush Middle Eastern air arms could also become interested in them in an attempt to reduce their reliance of massive airstrips that would become targets for ballistic missiles and other types of attack in the opening stages of any sort of major conflict.

Countries that have island holdings in disputed areas—namely the South China Sea—like say Vietnam—could make good use of the Harrier's unique capabilities as well. Other air arms that just want a super competent close air support and interdiction platform could jump on these jump jets too if the price is right. Even sales opportunities in South America are possible.

We'll keep an eye on where this Turkish initiative goes. If it does come to fruition it could be just the start of the international haggling for the rest of the fleet that will come fully available in the coming decade.

One air force's trash is another air forces treasure as they say!


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; av8b; turkey; usmc

1 posted on 12/07/2017 8:22:19 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Man, Sukhoi, you might want to ride rear seat in a used Turkish Harrier, but I think I’ll pass! Harriers aren’t exactly “Your Father’s Oldsmobile.”

What could possibly go wrong with this? s/


2 posted on 12/07/2017 8:25:15 AM PST by oldplayer
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I would prefer they not sell Turkey anything.


3 posted on 12/07/2017 8:25:31 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: sukhoi-30mki

What with their Islamist leanings of late, we should not be selling Turkey ANY military items.


4 posted on 12/07/2017 8:25:32 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I wouldn’t sell Turkey anything. Corrupt state.


5 posted on 12/07/2017 8:25:34 AM PST by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Sell Turkey older bi-planes only ... early 20th century is good enough for those medieval mussulmen.


6 posted on 12/07/2017 8:42:38 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Miss your posts...The Philippines and Taiwan could use these


7 posted on 12/07/2017 8:51:51 AM PST by mosesdapoet (Mosesdapoet aka L.J.Keslin)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Sell them ALL of those turds, quick.


8 posted on 12/07/2017 8:57:06 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Right now I’d give Turkey some F-4 Phantoms with no spare parts, for a couple billion $.

They’re in cahoots with Iran and growing more dangerous every day.


9 posted on 12/07/2017 9:01:45 AM PST by lurk
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Right now I’d give Turkey some F-4 Phantoms with no spare parts, for a couple billion $.

They’re in cahoots with Iran and growing more dangerous every day.


10 posted on 12/07/2017 9:02:15 AM PST by lurk
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To: lurk

Take the money and plant remote controlled bombs on them.


11 posted on 12/07/2017 9:26:09 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The AV-8 maiden flight was on Nov 09, 1978 and put in service in 1985(33 Years). Not bad for an aircraft that was a man killer and doomed as a failure.


12 posted on 12/07/2017 9:42:23 AM PST by Garvin (Always remember folks, kill a commie for mommy ~ Semper Fi, Mac!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
Thanks sukhoi-30mki. Theresa May et al will rush to approve this, so long as Turkey agrees to use them against Israel.

13 posted on 12/07/2017 12:42:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I saw one fly over campus several years ago. It’s rare because we are not close to a military base.


14 posted on 12/07/2017 12:45:45 PM PST by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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