Buck Sexton: If police can execute an innocent man on video, none of us are safe

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[Bob434]

[[So what the jury “saw” was whatever image of the events could be inspired by the words of the two cops and the defense lawyers.]]

That’s not all they saw- they also saw/heard the prosecution’s side- and don’;t forget- they were privy to a lot more info than we are on FR are

[[(likely because the judge determined it would be “too prejudicial”)]]

That’s an assumption We don’t know why it wasn’t allowed- an the video could have been strongly used in favor of the police- not against- The police were responding to a possible armed man and possible shots fired- that alone escalates the whole situation to another dangerous level- many cops are shot responding to domestic violence cases- especially where the report is ‘shots fired’- if that is the case

Having said all this -we can only look back in hindsight and say there wouldn’t have been a tragic shooting IF the polic haqd clearly instructed the man to knee walk- legs uncrossed- with hands straight up and let it be absolutely clearly known that dropping the hands for any reason (which by the way the police did do) especial if the hands go to the small of the back or towards the back (which they also made more than clear) would result in tragic consequences

I do think the fella didn;t realize an automatic reaching to pull up pants would result in w3hat it did0- however- the police were at that point in a split second possible dangerous situation- aND they clearly isntructed the fella not to do that-

This is a very tragic situation, and police do not have the luxury of waiting to be fired on or to see an actual gun when they clearly told the fell the results of reaching behind him would bring-

[[”WHEN THE FACTS ARE KNOWN”]]

There are some facts known to us that the jury apparently wasn’t privy to- and I believe the facts showed what I’ve discuses- Heaven help us if we’re ever confronted with having to deal with a possible armed man who has been reported to have fired a gun already- I would’;t ant to have to make split second decisions after seeing a man disobey direct commands like that

[House Atreides]

“...This is a very tragic situation...”
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Yes, most homicides are. By the way, if you were on our local police force in a position of responsibility I’d transfer you to an administrative slot as quickly as I could arrange it. IMHO you lack the necessary discernment, judgment and objectivity to be in a position where lives would depend upon your decisions & actions. And I mean that!

[ConservativeWarrior]

Total BS. “Noncompliance” my ass.

There IS no case to shoot a person with outstretched arms who isn’t moving.

Not saying it couldn’t happen, but that it couldn’t be justified. Your chances are much better of not getting shot by standing still than by disarming yourself. See Costco.

[Bob434]

[[By the way, if you were on our local police force in a position of responsibility I’d transfer you to an administrative slot as quickly as I could arrange it.]]

I’ll tell you- i wouldn’t wish to be on your team for claiming i lack the judgment- a jury found him innocent and I see why they have=- I wouldn’t wish to be on a force that has it’s mind made up facts be damned-

The police gave the man some leeway during the whole episode- I’ve watched the video carefully several times now- He was told to cross his legs, to keep his hands in the air and to crawl- The man uncrossed his legs, AND dropped his hands to crawl- He also reached AFTER begin told not to- They gave him leeway there- The last reaching was in direct disobedience to a VERY clear order not to reach

IF you claim i lack judgment after this then I wouldn’t wish to be on your force- too damned dangerous

[[to be in a position where lives would depend upon your decisions & actions.]]

Apparently police lives don’t matter to you? He was told a couple times in NO uncertain terms —not— to reach for ANYTHING or ANYPLACE- There was absolutely no ambiguity about that order- He was given leeway when he refused to obey and dropped hands and when He dropped down to ground- By the way- you can scoot just fine with legs crossed- but regardless the police —allowed— him to uncross them- He wasn’t fired on —until— he directly disobeyed orders by committing an action FAR more serious than dropping hand to ground or uncrossing legs- How many chances does your force give a suspect? So many that cops get killed?

[[And I mean that!]]

good for you-

[Bob434]

[[By the way- you can scoot just fine with legs crossed-]]

by that i mean scoot with hands down- obviously not with hands raised- the police allowed him to drop hands to crawl- and even allowed him to uncross legs

and don’t forget- they were responding to a call of “Man with a gun... Shots fired”, and the man disobeys clear directions —NOT— to reach towards his back- and you claim i lack judgment? Would recommend to demote me? No your wouldn’t- I wouldn’t be on your force because of your lack of judgment and discernment and objectivity- You made your mind up the man was ‘innocent because he didn’t have a gun’= Really? benefit of Hindsight is wonderful huh? Wish all officers had that power BEFORE they are put into dangerous situations where a man is said to have a gun AND fired it already

[RegulatorCountry]

by that i mean scoot with hands down- obviously not with hands raised- the police allowed him to drop hands to crawl- and even allowed him to uncross legs.

Well wasn't that nice. Why, they were being downright sociable. Their guest of honor didn't end up with five bullets in him and dead, that's just an ugly rumor.

[No_More_Harkin]

So you think ‘waving a gun around’ justifies being executed like a dog?

The officer was on a ramped up power trip, with ‘You’re F#cked’ etched in his AK. He treated the perp like subhuman scum, proving he was not trying to diffuse any situation, but quite the opposite, make things far worse so he could justify his power trip and get to execute another human and walk away scott free. This wasn’t a case of a volatile situation, the office could have EASILY walked up and cuffed the perp multiple times. Why didn’t he? Because he wanted it to end the exact way it did. Getting to execute another human.

What do your anecdotes about “B&W TV” and your behavior toward police have anything relevant to do with what I asked? I respect officers, and have never been treated differently. I’m not blanketing blame across all police departments. I’m calling out this murderer, his Cheif, the judge and jury who let this psycho walk to kill again.

Why would you defend him?

[Gay State Conservative]

So you think ‘waving a gun around’ justifies being executed like a dog?

Did the cops handle that situation wisely in the moments leading up to the rifle fire? Absolutely not.

But he wasn't "executed".Not even close.

[Bob434]

by the way you CAN scoot with hands in air and legs crossed- just did it myself- not hard at all- crawled clear across the room with no issues-

Again- The police didn’t know if anyone else was in the room behind the guy and out of sight which was the whole reason for having them crawl to a location that wasn’t as dangerous in a situation that was very tense to begin with- It wasn’t until the man made the potentially dangerous act of going for his back that the one cop started yelling- until then he was calm and clear— Can’t believe i am even having to repeat this over and over again

and YES it was nice of them- as nice as the other times they allowed him to disobey in less dangerous actions such as dropping hands to ground-

Again- the cops were responding to call of “Man with gun... shots fired” So YES- it was generous of them given that hey were responding to ‘man with gun.. shots fired’ situation.

[RegulatorCountry]

Mind if I train an AR-15 on you and yell orders while you attempt to comply with the consequence being your death if you mess up? You seem to think that think it’s so easy and so acceptable. You haven’t committed any crime either, so I’m sure you’re game. Right?

[Bob434]

here’s what happens when police officers hesitate too long

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoI4G1fWmEQ

That video is shown in police stations all across the country, and for good reason

Here’s another (first 40 seconds of video) with a man refusing to obey orders that turn ed damn near deadly because the officer didn’t take appropriate actions to make the man comply by arresting him- It happened in the blink of an eye

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03mXh_P1pJ8

Shaver should have never ever reached for his back a —second time— after being clearly told not to do so- The actions was extremely brief- the blink of an eye almost- and very well could have ended badly for the girl, and the two police officers- Remember the call claimed the man was pointing the gun out the window at traffic- there is no reason to think th man might not have a gun in his waistband since he’d already been accused of reckless and potentially dangerous act

When police think you may have a weapon- it is —never— smart to disobey their commands by reaching for the very spot that many gun toting criminals use to hold a gun- Never! There are multiple videos online where people are ‘acting normal’ one second and kill cops or attempt to kill them the next-

someone pointing a gun out a window at a highway —very well could have— a pistol tucked in the waistband as well- There was already reason to believe the man could very well be capable of assaulting someone by the fact that he was pointing a gun out the window at traffic- Not sure what you disagree with about that? He had been told very clearly twice NOT to reach for his back- and he was asked if he understood- to which the man replied “Yes Sir”

I will say it again- in hindsight- this was a tragic shooting- but it was not unjustified considering the dangerous circumstances that the man put himself in, AND put the police in, by both pointing gun out the window at traffic AND not obeying the police officers clear instructions- You think my objective judgment is flawed? I don’t think so- and I’m surprised you as a police officer would be willing for a situation to possibly turn deadly for the police in the blink of an eye because a man didn’t obey the police and the police hesitated too long because they weren’t absolutely sure he didn’t have a gun- the Internet is filled with videos showing what waiting too long means to police officer’s lives-

[Bob434]

[[You seem to think that think it’s so easy and so acceptable.]]

First off I would not put myself and the police in a dangerous situation by doing what the suspect did by pointing gun at traffic- second i sure as hell wouldn’t reach for my back after being told VERY CLEARLY, twice no less- not to do so and that doing so could result in my death.

Second I NEVER ever said it was easy- I explained several times it was a very difficult situation- don’t put words in my mouth to support you position- The police did not know if he committed a crime or not- that was what they were there to determine- the man clearly disobeyed orders several times on minor issues- but it was the major issue that was his undoing- The cop did not go there to shoot someone- unfortunatelty the suspect forced them into a position where he had to act in a split second- and regrettably, we learn AFTER the fact- that the man was not armed- BUT he was directly disobeying clear command not to reach for his waistband and unfortunately paid for it with his life- hindsight is wonderful huh?

[Bob434]

[[Mind if I train an AR-15 on you and yell orders while you attempt to comply with the consequence being your death if you mess up?]]

Psssst- that happens all the time- and those that obey the commands live to see another day- those that do what can and should be perceived as an aggressive act sometimes don’t- moral of story is- obey commands- listen carefully- this aint a stinking video game

[RegulatorCountry]

Tell that to Officer Brailsford. He’s the one shooting people like it’s a game. You people really are dense, it’s going to take having an up close and personal negative experience with a bad cop to wean you off your pollyannish stupidity. Hope you survive, unlike this poor guy.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Not saying it couldn’t happen, but that it couldn’t be justified.

They did it a couple of years with some poor guy who was sitting in his car, hands on the steering wheel, not moving.

He was guilty of "noncompliance".

Don't tell me it is can not be justified. They have. Not doing what the nice officer tells you is reason to shoot you.

Trying to do what the nice officer tells you and not doing it exactly right is reason to shoot you.

Talking to the officer is reason to shoot you.

Staying silent is reason to shoot you.

Just telling you the facts in twenty-first century police/citizen interactions. Believe it or not as you wish.

[Bob434]

didn’t read a damn thing i posted- did you- but way to turn this into an uncivil personal attack- kudos- ‘we people’ aren’t the ones judging based on emotions AFTER the fact- Again- hindsight is a weapon emotional emotional hindsighters- objective facts aren’t- nothing in your scenario even remotely resembled what went down- it was pure emotion based on a ‘totally innocent person’ who presented no threat- that is not what happened in the case being discussed-

[Bob434]

[-[hindsight is a weapon emotional emotional hindsighters]]

should have read “hindsight is a weapon used by emotional emotional hindsighters in an effort to label everyone who doesn’t agree as ignorant and evil- thanks for proving that out

[RegulatorCountry]

Shavers was a totally innocent person who posed no threat. Get that through your thick headed advocacy.

[Bob434]

good bye regulator- I don’t discuss things with people that act like you- you wanna keep it civil and discuss the issue- fine- if not adios!

[Bob434]

and again- thank you for proving post # 197 correct once again