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Chuck Schumer would like bomb detection at bus and rail hubs
Hot Air.com ^ | December 17, 2017 | JAZZ SHAW

Posted on 12/17/2017 7:20:49 AM PST by Kaslin

The fumblewear bomber may have experienced one of the classic fails in terrorist society, but he’s clearly having an impact nonetheless. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) is pushing a sense of urgency in getting some sort of bomb detection system in place in the nation’s mass transit hubs such as bus and rail stations. This is an understandable, if reflexive response to an attempted terror attack and if it could be implemented both safely and effectively I’m guessing most of us would be willing to at least give it a look. But can it be done? (Associated Press)

Screening devices that detect suicide vests like the one that exploded in a New York City subway tunnel are being tested in a Los Angeles transit station, but U.S. Sen. Chuck Schumer said Sunday the Transportation Security Administration should speed up plans to deploy the technology nationally.

“The fact that we have this new, potentially life-saving technology at our fingertips — an ability to detect concealed explosives worn by cowards looking to do us harm — demands the federal government put both the testing and the perfecting of this technology on the fast-track,” Schumer said. “We not only want these devices in America’s busiest cities, like New York, but we need them here.”

The Los Angeles Metropolitan Transportation Authority is partnering with TSA to test devices known as stand-off explosive detection units, which do a full-body screening of passengers walking through a station without slowing them down. If an explosive device is detected, it triggers an alarm. The operator, a transit employee, sees a camera image of the passenger on a computer screen, but no anatomical details.

Attacks by Islamic extremists are a fact of life now, unfortunately, so I don’t want to just write this idea off without giving it a fair shake. But there are some obvious questions to be answered right up front. The standing issue with adding more layers of security at travel hubs is that no matter where you put the security wall, people will begin backing up there. All such a plan does is move the soft target further away from the central location, providing a potential bomber with even easier access to a crowd. The description of the new screening system being tested claims that it conducts, “screening of passengers walking through a station without slowing them down.”

That sounds great, but is it even possible? The feds are currently testing QinetiQ’s SPO stand-off threat detection system. I’ll confess that I was not at all familiar with this technology so I had to do a bit of digging. Rather than some sort of x-ray or body scanning machine like we go through at airports, this is a passive system which detects millimeter band light and heat emissions (I think?) from people passing in front of the sensor looking for anomalous regions where the person might be hiding an explosive belt or other device. This brief promotional video from the manufacturer gives a rundown of how it’s supposed to work so take a look.

QinetiQ's SPO stand-off threat detection system

f you watch the video you’ll see that it really looks like the system still needs each person passing through the security area to come up one at a time and be scanned by the camera. Yes, that’s probably at least somewhat faster than emptying all your pockets, going into the airport’s full-body scanner and holding up your arms while it spins around, but it still requires people to stand in line and approach the scanning area one at a time. Given the crowds of people who walk en masse through the Port Authority in New York City at rush hour, this would still create a massive logjam of humanity, perfect for an aspiring bomber.

We also need to consider the dual questions of false positives and what happens if you actually find someone with a suicide belt on. This is really bleeding edge technology so I was unable to find any data on testing and false positive rates, but if the system is triggered, won’t you need to shut down the entire flow of people entering while you check it out? It would only take one or two in an hour to have the entire platform access area grind to a halt in a busy rail station.

And what if you do find somebody with a suicide belt? The video shows actors who are “detected” with a bunch of fake C4 strapped around their waists looking glum and guilty after they are “discovered,” but an actual bomber’s first reaction at being pulled out of the line for a physical inspection would be to just detonate the bomb, right?

I’m all for investigating any viable options to increase security, but if we’re going to do this at the bus and rail systems they will become even more of a nightmare than the airport TSA stations already are. (The number of people using the subway system in New York City each day dwarfs the traffic at a major airport by several orders of magnitude.) At that point, we may as well just shut down mass transit entirely. If somebody can make Schumer’s idea actually work I’d be all for it, but this looks like it cause more problems than it solves.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bombings; chuckschumer; chuckyouschumer; newyork; newyorkcity; publictransit; screening; trainstation; upchuckschumer
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1 posted on 12/17/2017 7:20:49 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Also known as the “I-have-a-friend-in-the-bomb-detection-biz” bill.


2 posted on 12/17/2017 7:22:10 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Benedict McCain is the worst traitor ever to wear the uniform of the US military.)
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Ok. And we would like to stop immigration from unfriendly countries

Who allows these idiots to run the country?


3 posted on 12/17/2017 7:22:18 AM PST by stanne
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To: Kaslin

Wouldn’t it be easier (and more effective) to simply eradicate Islam from America?


4 posted on 12/17/2017 7:22:36 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Kaslin

Isn’t senator dooooshbag currently implicated in a sexual harassment case???


5 posted on 12/17/2017 7:22:47 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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How about we just deport every Muslim that is not a citizen and execute any convicted terrorist by feeding them to starving pigs and live free Chuckie?


6 posted on 12/17/2017 7:22:54 AM PST by WMarshal (John McCain is the turd in America's punch bowl. McLame cannot even fake an injury.)
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Wow he’s just like an infomercial or an as seen on TV product by solving a problem nobody has.


7 posted on 12/17/2017 7:24:03 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult
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Why stop there, Chuckie?

Why not station BlackLiesMatter at every street corner? “Your papers, please.”


8 posted on 12/17/2017 7:24:18 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (<img src="http://i.imgur.com/WukZwJP.gif" width=800>)
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To: Kaslin

I would like Commie-’Rat detectors at the entrances to the Capitol building.


9 posted on 12/17/2017 7:24:41 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: ClearCase_guy

Exactly. Heavily invested.


10 posted on 12/17/2017 7:25:38 AM PST by Eddie01
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To: Kaslin

While closing our borders to Islamists, which Chuckie opposes, would protect against bombers, knife attackers, truck attackers, Islamists armed with firearms...

Hmmmm.....


11 posted on 12/17/2017 7:25:57 AM PST by mewzilla (Was Obama surveilling John Roberts? Might explain a lot.)
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To: BenLurkin
Wouldn’t it be easier (and more effective) to simply eradicate Islam from America the planet?

Only way to be certain everyone else on Earth would be safe.

12 posted on 12/17/2017 7:25:58 AM PST by CatOwner
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To: stanne

Exactly. Why spend all this money to close the barn doors and catch all the cows after the cows are out.

Why don’t we just close the barn doors so we don’t have to search for cows?


13 posted on 12/17/2017 7:26:08 AM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette.)
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To: Kaslin

Typical Liberal reaction: After a shooting, blame the gun and not the demented shooter, and after a bombing, look for the bomb and not for the Muslims who carry them.


14 posted on 12/17/2017 7:27:49 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Kaslin

TSA is large enough to be doing that already.


15 posted on 12/17/2017 7:29:08 AM PST by boycott
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To: Kaslin
Diversion from the sex scandal that is supposedly false because Chuckie sez so. Riiiiiiiiight.
16 posted on 12/17/2017 7:30:19 AM PST by wardamneagle
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To: Kaslin

Anything to spend more tax money. And, TSA has been so effective.


17 posted on 12/17/2017 7:34:36 AM PST by Ancient Man
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To: Kaslin

Would it not be cheaper and easier to just BAN Muzzies from being in our country?


18 posted on 12/17/2017 7:34:37 AM PST by Howie66 ("Tone down the tagline please." - Admin Moderator)
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To: Kaslin

I wish UpChuck would install a bomb detector on the microphones into which he speaks.


19 posted on 12/17/2017 7:34:44 AM PST by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: Kaslin

Typical knee-jerk, statist, reactive, failed leftist “solutions” to problems that will only inconvenience the law-abiding while having zero impact on the criminals.


20 posted on 12/17/2017 7:39:34 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (10% pure, flat income tax for everyone. No deductions, credits, or loopholes.)
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