Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Survivors of 1993 Waco siege describe
ABC News ^ | January 3, 2018 | Pearson Wilking Effron

Posted on 01/03/2018 12:10:11 PM PST by Aliska

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-84 next last
To: Aliska
was upset at the time but didn't understand well I could see it but never was sure who started the fire.

One video I saw seemed to show the last few dribbles of napalm dripping from a short nozzle on the left front of the tank which had just been driven through the wall of the building.

Either way, anyone who ordered/approved CS gas to be used against civilians in an enclosed space, let alone against women & children, should be doing hard time for attempted murder.

21 posted on 01/03/2018 12:42:36 PM PST by BwanaNdege ("The church ... is not the master or the servant of the state, but the conscience" - Luther)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: TallahasseeConservative

Are you aware that when Koresh went for a jog, he ran right past a BATF observation location? They could have arrested a winded Koresh with ease.

This thing stunk from way before the assault on the farmhouse.

Compound? Sect?

Since when are people who are exercising the freedoms guaranteed under our Constitution, fair game?


22 posted on 01/03/2018 12:43:35 PM PST by DoughtyOne (McConnell, Ryan, and the whole GOPe are dead to me. Are Alabamans tired of winning?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Terry Mross

He knew Koresh. He thought him a reasoned man.

Koresh worked around town. He wasn’t a danger to the community, and the sheriff wasn’t buying what the BATF was peddling.


23 posted on 01/03/2018 12:45:32 PM PST by DoughtyOne (McConnell, Ryan, and the whole GOPe are dead to me. Are Alabamans tired of winning?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: a fool in paradise
Janet Reno had to kill them ‘to end the cycle of abuse.

Janet Reno, my @$$ !

She was Attorney General (for all of two months) and had no authority to order military assets be used (even if she had been there for two years).

This was Bill Clinton's call.

ML/NJ

24 posted on 01/03/2018 12:46:00 PM PST by ml/nj
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: plain talk

A friend of mine back then worked in Washington, he told me David Koresh everyday would go jogging alone and the ATF knew that but they decided to take him down the hard way by doing a raid, I assume on Jan-nut Renos orders. And the ultimate result wasn’t just the people and kids in that compound who died, but the 168 people in the Oklahoma city bombing as well as that nut Timothy McVeigh used Waco as an excuse to do that bombing. All they had to do was pick Koresh up while he went jogging and instead all those people and kids ended up losing their lives and there was nary a peep of protest from the left.


25 posted on 01/03/2018 12:46:28 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (The remoulade was a trifle tart, but the souflee for dessert more than made up for it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: heartwood

26 posted on 01/03/2018 12:47:03 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: DoughtyOne

I worked about 5 miles from the compound about two years before the seige and I knew the sheriff.


27 posted on 01/03/2018 12:48:46 PM PST by Terry Mross (Liver spots And blood thinners..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: TallahasseeConservative

The only two federal agents that were killed at Waco were both former Clinton bodyguards, and they were killed by ‘friendly fire’.

If I remember correctly, they were the last two- all others are dead too.


28 posted on 01/03/2018 12:49:55 PM PST by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare itself.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: DoughtyOne

Yes, I did know that. I also loved the way the media described the “arsenal of weapons in the bunker” that the Davidians owned. You have over 100 people living in the same place and stored their weapons in a safe manner and in the same location. That suddenly became an arsenal. I guess my gun safe is now an arsenal.


29 posted on 01/03/2018 12:51:24 PM PST by TallahasseeConservative
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: BobinIL

The story I always heard was the ATF needed a “big show” for budget justification. Far easier to go after isolated white guy nuts like Koresh & Weaver then real problems like the “Bloods & the Cripes”. The “white gun nuts” are off by themselves likely won’t put up much of a fuss if arrested You with media’s help tar them with all sorts of heinous crimes like child abuse. Besides the “Bloods & Cripes” are dangerous someone might get hurt. For the Waco/Koresh case “child abuse” was a good claim because Reno made her bones on a big Miami child abuse case. (Which turned to be bogus - a witch hunt & prosecutorial abuse! N just society that should have ended Reno’s career!)


30 posted on 01/03/2018 12:51:50 PM PST by Reily
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: heartwood

I heard one story that Waco was all hilLIARy’s doing, and Janet Reno agreed to take the blame in return for keeping her job.


31 posted on 01/03/2018 12:52:07 PM PST by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare itself.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Aliska
ATF agent Robert Elder. "We didn’t drive up there and start shooting and killing people. We responded with deadly force because deadly force was used against us."

The ATF drove up and started shooting and killing all the dogs. That's not exactly how to win friends and influence people.

32 posted on 01/03/2018 12:52:25 PM PST by Reeses (A journey of a thousand miles begins with a government pat down.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DoughtyOne

This is article in the local paper at the time. Pete’s Mom blamed the Feds..

http://www.recordonline.com/article/20000627/news/306279990


33 posted on 01/03/2018 12:53:04 PM PST by TallahasseeConservative
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: BenLurkin

Looks like Liawatha’s mother.


34 posted on 01/03/2018 12:54:30 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Delusional - Adjective, Describes a Democrat or member of the MSM)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Terry Mross

Interesting. Thanks for the mention.


35 posted on 01/03/2018 12:55:43 PM PST by DoughtyOne (McConnell, Ryan, and the whole GOPe are dead to me. Are Alabamans tired of winning?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: GrandJediMasterYoda

After reading 3 different books on this subject, I believe there is not one entity to blame.

David Koresh was a sick man. And anyone dumb enough to follow him (like married grown men who could not have relations with their wives because of Koresh) is partly to blame.

But also a overzealous government agency who has to prove what they are doing is important/worth the money was at fault also. We you spend hours upon hours investigating someone/something, you expect to show fruits for your labor.
And they wanted a BIG prize. Well, they got it. And they got the OKC bombing with it.


36 posted on 01/03/2018 12:56:46 PM PST by skinndogNN
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: TallahasseeConservative

From what I saw, it wasn’t a very large collection of guns either.

In this day and age, it seems anything over one gun is referenced as an “arsenal”.


37 posted on 01/03/2018 12:57:53 PM PST by DoughtyOne (McConnell, Ryan, and the whole GOPe are dead to me. Are Alabamans tired of winning?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: SandRat

The Democrat governor of Texas at the time was Ann Richards. She and Hillary met the weekend before the attack on the Branch Davidians. God has not forgotten the evil plan they hatched.


38 posted on 01/03/2018 12:58:08 PM PST by txrefugee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Aliska
I remember watching this on the local news as it went down. Of course Koresh was demonized by the talking heads. And when the fire broke out and tanks were on the scene I said "What the hell??!!" As G-man said on his radio show at the time: "The US has engaged in the filthy business of using its military against its own people."
39 posted on 01/03/2018 12:58:27 PM PST by 4yearlurker (Stay warm out there!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TallahasseeConservative

Nice snag.

I can guess how far that suit went.


40 posted on 01/03/2018 12:58:57 PM PST by DoughtyOne (McConnell, Ryan, and the whole GOPe are dead to me. Are Alabamans tired of winning?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-84 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson