Posted on 01/03/2018 12:10:11 PM PST by Aliska
Not very.
This and the FBI COINTELPRO Oklahoma City Bombing were nothing more than a Justice Dept. attempt to crush the rising national Militia Movement. The use of Delta Force to machine gun compound residents trying to escape the conflagration was utterly disgusting- bodies quickly disposed of, no autopsy, no legal recourse.
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Not to mention what would happen CS gas when burned.
Anyone that knowingly introduced CS into a confined space where kerosene or propane lanterns & stoves were being used, and then knock open a few ventilation holes in the structure for good airflow — well, sir. That goes beyond attempted murder. That’s premeditated, cold blood killing in an agonizing way right there.
Janet Reno had to kill them because there was a good chance jury would find they acted in self-defense by opening fire on the gang of ATF goons in the initial raid.
Waco had nothing to do with it other than provide hotel rooms for the msm.
>>Well, I was never a firm believer in the goodness of our government but Waco and Ruby Ridge dialed any confidence I had way way down.
I used to drive the delivery system for Poseidon missiles around, so I had extremely high levels of trust for my government.
Same here. It was a very rude awakening.
>>Same here. It was a very rude awakening.
During the siege, I supported the government while friends tried to convince me that this is the REAL government and not the stable, benign one that I imagined was reality.
When that tank started rolling and the fires started, I reconsidered my opinions on Ruby Ridge and I knew they were right.
It takes a tank to raze a village...
I have a tape of Koresh shot and injured , pleading with the media to tell the public the truth about how the government had no intention of letting it come to a peaceful conclusion . He was on the floor bleeding . All the children and elderly were shown . Of course the media never showed it .
You are right on that. My wife has several of her aunts and cousins in the area and they all said that the local sheriff was a yellow bellied coward.
Koresh or whatever the fruitcakes name is, was in town a short while before the whole thing went down. They could have nabbed him then, or, simply walked away and watched him. He would have come out in time and they could have nabbed him then.
Instead, how many women and children burned in that fire?
The same with Weaver, which was just as bad. Weaver was awarded a few million dollars from the feds for their GD ignorance. I mean, shoot the wife while she was holding the door open for the rest to get into the shack? And while she was holding a baby? And the excuse for that was?
And then the Giffords shooting. That local police chief had been alerted about that nutjob and could have taken him in for a 72 hour evaluation. That is why that chief got out and spouted off after the whole thing went down. He was culpable.
The ATF was coming up on re-budgeting time; they wanted to have something recent and highly visual to showcase their enforcement proactivity.
Though Koresh was in the daily habit of jogging through downtown Waco totally unescorted, the ATF still insisted on an armed assault.
To legally qualify for the most recent CQB tactics from the military, they lied about the Davidians, claiming they were bank-robbers and machine-gun dealers. These were important exceptions to “Posse Comitatus”, the legal principle by which US law enforcement is walled-off from domestic US military training and operations. In this way the ATF commandos could legally get the military support they craved, the better to feel like SEAL Team 6 Operators.
The Go-Code for the assault was “Showtime”. Like liquored-up Boy Scouts on a rare trip away from home, to document their glorious victory over The Weird Christians they brought along a local TV film crew.
The point at which the ATF stopped their fire during the initial shoot-out was the point they ran out of ammo. Even so, they were permitted to withdraw under no fire (though they were suddenly less enthusiastic about having it all on film).
The enormous metal front door of Mt. Carmel was later “lost” by the ATF, an item that would have shown the majority direction of Davidian/Police fire exchanged.
After the Davidian dead were buried Government Commandoes safe inside Armored Personnel Carriers carefully, repeatedly and wantonly drove over the well-marked graves of the Davidians.
During the protracted stand-off, the seige team repeatedly shone kleig lights into the complex, denied them sleep and loudly played the sound of rabbits’ death screams.
The seige team adopted a “Carrot-and-Stick” approach —sounds great, right..? The Stick part of the equation was composed of Law-And-Order military Commandos, while the Carrot faction was cerebral academics schooled in sociology/psychology, etc.
The two teams loathed one another and barely communicated, leading to an eery, schizophrenic duality from the negotiators; the Davidians would be deep in phone talks with elaborate reassurances, only to have raucous gunfire suddenly shower down on them from overhead.
This actually strengthened Koresh’s admonition that the “Outside World” was ruled by deceiver devils who wished them harm and sought to test them.
—> 17 kids burned to death at Waco and NO ONE got in trouble for it. <—
WHAT IF IT HAD BEEN A MOSQUE...??
Fire and ambulances were held back.
The media was held back MILES, the better to avoid witnesses.
The first thing law enforcement did on-scene after the flames died down was to FILM them raising the ATF flag over the still-burning embers of what remained of the Mt. Carmel complex.
I saw an FBI agent in paramilitary gear turn back Koresh’s mother,... adding in, I hope you’ve said good-bye.
That makes it pretty clear what their charge was.
Somehow, when it's OUR people, "It's okay".
I find that instructive.
If you read the autopsy reports, nothing adds up except this was a government operation to dispose of a bunch of bodies.
One point: none of the dead whose cause of death was attributed to a gunshot wound had the bullet that killed them inside their body. Not a single one.
In a lot of cases, the only remains found were pieces of skull, etc.
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