Posted on 02/09/2018 10:02:47 AM PST by Simon Green
Proof of your claims, or you are a Soros Clown.
Nah, George and I don’t hang out much anymore.
Educate yourself:
https://warisboring.com/49844-2/
There are a number of sources on this and a video of the Russian killing himself:
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5ee_1517799990
See post 42.
You are invited to respond to my #40.
You stated that Russian pilots are bombing columns of refugees. A serious war crime.
As far as I know the only people making such claims are Jihadis in Syria, and their masters in Turkey.
Again, we would like to have an adult conversation on FR.
Don’t call names.
Offer competing links, or your opinion on the article posted.
And, you can tell people that you think they are wrong, that’s OK!!
Again, go to the links I offered in 42.
It is really tiring when posters can only offer - Oh yeah? Says who?
If you disagree, do your own research, like I do, and offer it up.
If you disagree with my sources, OK, life goes on.
Don’t call names, OK?
Tom Cooper at WIB is hardly a solid source.
Not even US Ne4ocons have made the accusation you have.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Cooper_(author)
I didn’t call you a name.
Though I sometimes get weak and call assholes, assholes.
But in this case I’ll just contend you have posted a false assertion, backed up by an aviation author who has no way of knowing what the Russians are doing in Syria.
And a false assertion that directly mimics those made by the Jihadis in Syria. One that the US nor any other country in Syria has made.
My apologies, I got you confused with others that call names.
The link you offered isn’t correct, try this one for Tom Cooper:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Cooper_(author)
Cooper has authored and co-authored 30 books.
His major works are two series: ‘African MiGs’ (two volumes) and ‘Arab MiGs’ (six volumes).
Cooper has published nearly 1,000 articles in specialized press and online, including magazines like Air & Space Smithsonian.
Mine is a “false assertion”, backed up by an aviation author who has no way of knowing what the Russians are doing in Syria??
Please explain.
The link is still messed up. When you click on:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Cooper_(author)
After the page opens, click on the link at:
Did you mean: Tom Cooper (author)?
That takes you to his biography.
Here are several good links on the author:
https://ospreypublishing.com/store/contributors/tom-cooper
https://www.amazon.com/Tom-Cooper/e/B0034Q35M2
https://www.bookdepository.com/Iranian-F-4-Phantom-II-Units-Combat-Tom-Cooper/9781841766584
Here is Tom Cooper’s book:
http://rahauav.com/Library/Others/Iranian%20F-14%20Tomcat%20Units%20in%20Combat_RAHAUAV.com.pdf
“” “” Looks like a TT-33; semi-auto, old, 7.62/25 with a lot of penetrating power.”” “”
That’s APS. It was standard issue for Soviet tank and aircrews between 1950 and mid 1970s then phased in favor of short AKs. Brought back from storage for special operations and aircrews in mid1990s.
“Mine is a “false assertion”, backed up by an aviation author who has no way of knowing what the Russians are doing in Syria??”
He is not there.
He cites nobody who is there.
He cites no national intelligence source that is there.
He cites no first-hand witnesses whatsoever.
He just makes an outrageous assertion, backed by no first-hand information and expects everyone to believe it.
Who does that?
“” “” Only a fool is taken alive by jihadis.
That would be a fate worse than death is 100% of cases.”” “”
Historically surrender is grave crime in Russia. They have liberal judges now and chances to get a term for it is little to none but cultural stigma still exists.
If you gone in a blaze of glory you’d have ships and streets named after you, your family would get six digit pension and kids would get stipends from the best schools and universities.
If you won’t you’d get dishonorable discharge anyway and your kids would be mocked at school as coward’s offspring and overall bad apple.
Also when dealing with Muslims it is a big unknown if the second variant worth it at all since chances of survival are slim.
I know it is hard to comprehend for for an American. Actually a cultural thing.
“I know of an instance where two small Navy boats willingly surrendered to the a-hole Iranians”
As A hole as they are, there is a light year difference between them and the ISIS crowd.
I recall doing training in 1970s as an air marshal We were told to not fire our weapons on the plane. Also, we were told if the plane is hijacked to go along unless three countries: Albania, North Korea and a third whose name escapes me now, were the destination. When asked what to do in the case of the latter three, we were told: don’t go.
We did not do much to get the Pueblo back in the 60s. A serious black mark. Soldiers never leave comrads on the battlefield but that notion does not seem to ever get to DC. The Pueblo is still held captive by the North Koreans. We should have listened to MacArthur in 1950 and a Senator in 1968 and nuked the place.
Tom Cooper is a well known, widely read, and vetted aviation author.
The links I supplied attest to that.
Any direct reporting in Syria or Yemen or many of the warring areas of the ME is spotty at best.
Authors like Cooper rely on their network of intel contacts and local witnesses in local language news.
Yup, it can be murky stuff.
I don’t absolutely trust any of it, it is often wrong.
But authors like Cooper make their living with this reporting, its their job. I trust that Cooper and others like him do their best to get it right.
Simply because getting it wrong can cost them their reputation and their income.
If you look at the video of the Russian pilot killing himself, that’s a pretty direct source, that’s direct reporting that Cooper didn’t offer, but I did.
It may seem outrageous, because we are not privy to Cooper’s intel and sources.
But if Cooper made a habit of outrageous reporting he wouldn’t be doing it for long.
Remember, that all these media outlets have editors. They ask the same vetting questions you and I do in order to protect the integrity of their publication.
You asked about Russians bombing Syrian civilians, here you go:
https://twitter.com/sakirkhader/status/957887450784858112
YOU would.
Don’t call names.
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Offer competing links, or your opinion on the article posted.
Logical fallacy. I do not need to prove a negative. You made an assertion, it is on you to prove it.
And, you can tell people that you think they are wrong, that’s OK!!
You are wrong, that's OK!!
Oh, I’m not saying Russia’s bombing has not caused any civilian casualties.
I’m sure it’s hundreds, at least.
Just like collateral damage from US air strikes. You have to kill the jihadis where they are.
What I am saying is that they would not deliberately target a civilian refugee convoy.
Unless it was a bunch of jihadis, of course.
They’ve got no use for that bad press, as a practical matter. Even if you consider their leadership immoral, as I do.
See the posts under the twitter link you provided.
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