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Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits
WaPo ^ | 28 Mar 2018 | Nick Miroff

Posted on 03/28/2018 8:04:27 AM PDT by mandaladon

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To: mandaladon

LOVE THE HEADLINE/TITLE!


41 posted on 03/28/2018 9:15:36 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: SkyDancer
The World hates us...

No one respects the weak minded, especially the wilful weak minded.

42 posted on 03/28/2018 9:19:26 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST (Apparently I voted demoncrat for 40 years. They all wore 'R' jerseys! 'R'atpublicans!)
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To: mandaladon

Focus on
1. Terrorists and terrorist sympathizers. No immigrant, whether legal, illegal, refugee or naturalized citizen should express sympathy or support for terrorists. Focus on these Undesirables.

2. Murderers, rapists, thieves, DUI drivers, Drunk and Disorderly. Focus on these undesirables.

3. Welfare Parasites. No immigrant, whether legal, illegal, refugee or naturalized citizen should expect taxpayers to pay for them and their families. Focus on these undesirables.

The above is about 1.2 of the 12 million illegals and about 3 million of the legals. These undesirables are the ones who disproportionately cost the taxpayers money.

Most immigrants, legal and illegal, are not undesirables. Of all demographic groups, those of Mexican ancestry have the lowest rate of taking welfare to which they are qualified.

To focus on 12 million illegals and 40 or 50 million legals is no focus. It is far too costly to enforce. The only way to focus on so many millions is to create a police state where the Nanny State can tell private employers who they can and must employ and whom they cannot and mustnot employ.

But a focus on 3 or 4 million undesireables out of the 50 plus million immigrants is a cheap and doable and worthy focus.


43 posted on 03/28/2018 9:47:05 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: TADSLOS; Tennessee Nana; raybbr; AuntB; no-to-illegals
Trump should also checkout latino "non-profits"....the easy no-sweat way latinos get zillions of state and federal monies.

L/E should rigorously investigate the latino criminal underworld---corrupt parasites undermining the US political system----proof-positive here that govt documents were falsified to hide the corrupt use of tax dollars. L/E might find the latino underworld doled out tax funds to finance drug habits, sex romps and other outrageous conduct.

<><>The NY-based Hispanic Federation honchos Roberto Ramirez and Luis Miranda cashed out big time.
The federation has ties to latino crime family nonprofits---which are corrupt political machines.

<><>Need I mention La Raza, swimming in US tax dollars to push their leftist agenda.

CIRCA 2012---Twi$ted web of political nonprofits in Bronx, NY / By CANDICE M. GIOVE; w/ Isabel Vincent and Melissa Klein

EXCLUSIVE The dating life of Assemblywoman Naomi Rivera (ousted from office by voters) has shed light on a web of Latino nonprofits in The Bronx — groups that benefit a close-knit network of political insiders as much as the community.

Rivera installed a boyfriend, Vincent Pinela, as head of the Bronx Council for Economic Development, a taxpayer-funded nonprofit he admits being unqualified to run. He alleges she used the group to fund their dates and her campaign.

But the Bronx economic council is only one nonprofit of many organized under the Hispanic Federation, which has taken in $24 million in taxpayer money since 1998. The federation has ties to almost every Hispanic lawmaker in The Bronx, including Rivera, but primarily benefits two men: political strategist Luis Miranda, who co-founded it and once served as its president, and Roberto Ramirez, a former Bronx Democratic Party boss. The men run a private political consulting firm, the MirRam Group. It’s paid by the Hispanic Federation and is hired by politicians who steer taxpayer money to the nonprofit.

A NY Post investigation has found:

<><><>* The Hispanic Federation paid MirRam and Miranda Towns, a firm registered to Miranda and his wife, $681,644 between 1999 and 2008 for “consulting,” records show.

<><><>* In 2005, the federation paid MirRam $88,000 to survey Latinos on topics including the mayor’s race. At the same time, MirRam was paid $1.37 million by Fernando Ferrer, then a mayoral candidate.

<><><>* Ramirez and Miranda gave political allies jobs at the nonprofit. Ex-Secretary of State Lorraine Cortez Vazquez, who had been Ramirez’s chief of staff, made more than $180,000 a year there.

<><><>* The Hispanic Federation paid MirRam $33,000 this year to lobby the City Council, records show.

<><><>* The group often pays out small amounts, from $400 to $800, to individuals without detailing why on official documents as required by law. A source in the group said these are sometimes payments for favor. "I have to pay a lady who is bringing latino seniors to a political event,” the source said. “They promised to send the lady to the Dominican Republic with her family in exchange for rounding up votes.” An Hispanic Federation spokesman lied---and said the payments were for families of victims of American Airlines Flight 587, which crashed in Queens in 2001, or "other people in need."

Miranda launched the Hispanic Federation in 1990, the year Ramirez won an Assembly seat in Fordham. Ramirez left politics in 2000 and handed the party reins to Assemblyman José Rivera, father of sexpot Naomi, in 2002. Insiders say that if you want influence in The Bronx, you have to deal with the Hispanic Federation and, by extension, MirRam consultants. Nonprofits, for instance, pay the Hispanic Federation to do their bookkeeping.

Rivera's Bronx Economic Development council was charged $12,000 a year for Hispanic Federation services according toher boytoy Pinela. Every year, the federation throws a fund-raising gala packed with politicians---a bash at the Waldorf-Astoria last Apri1 brought out mayoral hopefuls City Council Speaker Christine Quinn and Bill Thompson and New York Giant Victor Cruz.

But the blurring of a nonprofit and a consultant group means there’s little or no accountability, said the source inside the Hispanic Federation. “If we were helping the Little League around the corner to get bats or gloves . . . the ends justify the means,” the source said. “But when you are giving extra money to a senior center because they delivered people to a [political] event, it’s a different story.”

A federation spokesman called the allegations “simply untrue,” saying it only provides funds for those in need of disaster relief. As for payments to MirRam, the group noted that Miranda was no longer its president and MirRam is “arguably the top Latino lobbying and strategic consulting firm in our city.”

SOURCE http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bronx/twi_ted_web_in_bx_Fxatn1KxaBpb4reW6SaeqI#ixzz24f02JyRG

44 posted on 03/28/2018 9:48:22 AM PDT by Liz ((Our side has 8 trillion bullets;the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.))
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To: spintreebob
The only way to focus on so many millions is to create a police state where the Nanny State can tell private employers who they can and must employ and whom they cannot and mustnot employ.

You mean like Kalifornia?

45 posted on 03/28/2018 9:49:13 AM PDT by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them)
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To: SkyDancer; All

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The World hates us but yet want to come here either legally or illegally to obtain benefits that American taxpayers pay for.
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Sorry, but taxpayers aren’t paying for BENEFITS, they’re not ‘entitlements’, it’s not ‘welfare’, they’re being (illegally) economically ENSLAVED.

Yet another Leftists perversion of the English language and, unfort., far too many on the right fall into the trap. Hell, too many actually PROMOTE the Fascism (”I paid into...”)

90% (guessing here) of govt doesn’t fall into ANY category of Constitutional authority.

“But, but, the Commerce Clause\General Welfare...”

And we all be versed enough to counter “5th, 9th, 10th, 13th. The Rights of We the People are innumerable while the powers of govt few and defined.”

Fedzilla should be adhering/enforcing the Const. (vs. States that trample our Rights) as the States should reciprocate (vs. Const/9th/10th). Unfort., it’s a circle-jerk and the taxpayers are in the middle.


46 posted on 03/28/2018 10:19:52 AM PDT by i_robot73 (One could not count the number of *solutions*, if only govt followed\enforced the Constitution.)
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To: mandaladon

Immigrants are American citizens and are entitled to benefits of citizenship.

It sounds like the BezosPost is talking about invaders.


47 posted on 03/28/2018 10:34:07 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves.)
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To: rolling_stone
children born in the usa are not American citizens...never been decided by sup[reme court

Actually the court has nothing to say about it, that is a responsibility of the Congress, now if we could just get them to say so.

Notice one of the hit & run illegals this week had 7 identities and they didn't tell us but likely all of them were drawing some form of aid.

48 posted on 03/28/2018 10:38:06 AM PDT by itsahoot (Welcome to the New USA where Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a mental disorder.)
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To: spintreebob
Most immigrants, legal and illegal, are not undesirables.

No, but their culture is. They vote Marxist/Democrat. They want to bring a culture that has starved their population for 200 years, we don't need it.

49 posted on 03/28/2018 10:41:14 AM PDT by itsahoot (Welcome to the New USA where Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a mental disorder.)
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To: Magnum44; spintreebob
Nanny State can tell private employers who they can and must employ

Nope just who they can't employ. Either that or prepare to lose the Republic. We can not keep this country with Mexican voters else Mexico would already be wealthy, they have adequate resources just as Venezuela does.

When they come here they bring the same culture that has failed them so badly, just like Californian Progressives destroy what ever state they escape to.

50 posted on 03/28/2018 10:48:35 AM PDT by itsahoot (Welcome to the New USA where Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a mental disorder.)
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To: mandaladon

How about END ALL benefits for illegals ...


51 posted on 03/28/2018 10:53:09 AM PDT by clamper1797 (We are getting close to the last "box")
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To: mandaladon

I wonder when libs will be concerned for tax paying citizens.


52 posted on 03/28/2018 10:53:48 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: KC_Conspirator

rofl....Oh, that is too funny!


53 posted on 03/28/2018 11:00:09 AM PDT by Ambrosia
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To: SkyDancer
The World hates us...

I could not care less if anyone hates us, as long as they FEAR us.

54 posted on 03/28/2018 11:05:40 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: itsahoot

They vote Marxist Democrat?

Two of the last 3 Mexican presidents were “Republicans”. Fox was a Club For Growth libertarian leaning globalist. Calderon was a law-n-order anti-drug culture social conservative.

Not since the Republicans supported Marxist President Calles against the Conservative Christians (and libertarians) in the 1920s has Mexico had an outright Marxist President... a PRD president.

Now the anti-Marxists are likely to get 60% of the vote in the July 2018 election. But since there is no runoff, Marxist Obrador might win the Presidency with 40% of the vote because the 5 anti-Marxists won’t unite.

And why has Mexico shifted from PAN, the party of Devout Christians, libertarians and small businessmen to the Marxist? What could possibly have driven the Mexican voters that direction?


55 posted on 03/28/2018 4:46:44 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: spintreebob
People who would be "Republicans" where they came from have a way of being Democrats in the US, especially if they're politically ambitious.

Case in point -- Tom Perez, the current DNC head whose family was upper class in the Dominican Republic.

56 posted on 03/28/2018 4:56:23 PM PDT by x
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To: x

People who would be “Republicans” where they came from have a way of being Democrats in the US, especially if they’re politically ambitious.

People who are made to feel unwelcome respond in kind.

Republicans supported the Marxist genocide of Mexican Catholics and libertarians in the 1920s. That creates the historical image of Republicans as anti-Catholic, anti-liberty, anti-Christian.
Then Mexicans come to the US and find that in 2018 the Republicans still seem to be hateful, anti-Catholic, anti-free market (in labor) while the Democrats seem to be friendly wolves in sheep’s clothing.


57 posted on 03/29/2018 4:42:41 AM PDT by spintreebob
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