Posted on 05/18/2018 11:04:02 AM PDT by xzins
Wickard v Filburn
One of THE most notoriously bad Supreme Court rulings ever; used ever since as the tool by which Congress justifies regulating just about ANYTHING it wants to.
You don’t need to tell me about Nebraska corn farmers, I grew up the son of a cattleman and still live in north Missouri. Why don’t you focus on the 800B food stamps etc? That was my point, when it is called a farm bill, the farm subsidies are front and center, they should be separate bills, then neither would pass. What it’s really all about is that throwing the welfare into a farm bill guarantees ag state conservatives will be forced to vote for it. I can hardly be pissed at a farmer for wanting something passed that helps his income, but I can get pissed for adding 800B to a 40B bill just to use the name farm bill. Be mad about the big things, not hating farmers.
Here are the lawmakers that have signed a petition that would force a House floor vote on immigration bills, according to the House Clerk’s Office. The measure needs 218 signatures to move forward, which would require 25 Republicans and all 193 Democrats.
Republicans: 20
1.Carlos Curbelo, R-Florida
2.Jeff Denham, R-California
3.David Valadao, R-California
4.Will Hurd, R-Texas
5.Mario Diaz-Balart, R-Florida
6.Mia Love, R-Utah
7.Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Florida
8.Charlie Dent, R-Pennsylvania
9.Fred Upton, R-Michigan
10.David Reichert, R-Washington
11.Mike Coffman, R-Colorado
12.Chris Collins, R-New York
13.John Faso, R-New York
14.Mark Amodei, R-Nevada
15.Elise Stefanik, R-New York
16.Leonard Lance, R-New Jersey
17.Ryan Costello, R-Pennsylvania
18.Stephen Knight, R-California
19.John Katko, R-New York
20.David Trott, R-Michigan
Democrats:134
1.Diana DeGette, D-Colorado
2.Jared Polis, D-Colorado
3.Brad Schneider, D-Illinois
4.Mike Doyle D-Pennsylvania
5.Ted Deutch, D-Florida
6.Debbie Dingell, D-Michigan
7.Ed Perlmutter, D-Colorado
8.Al Green, D-Texas
9.Ed Perlmutter, D-Colorado
10.Lacy Clay, D-Missouri
11.James Clyburn, D-South Carolina
12.Cedric L. Richmond, D-Louisiana
13.Joe Courtney, D-Connecticut
14.Chellie Pingree, D-Maine
15.James McGovern, D-Massachusetts
16.Mike Quigley, D-Illinois
17.Albio Sires, D-New Jersey
18.John Delaney, D-Maryland
19.Mike Thompson, D-California
20.Stephen Lynch, D-Massachusetts
21.Ted Lieu, D-California
22.Peter A. DeFazio, D-Oregon
23.Salud O. Carbajal, D-California
24.Suzanne Bonamici, D-Oregon
25.Marcia Fudge, D-Ohio
26.Al Lawson, D-Florida
27.Collin C. Peterson, D-Minnesota
28.Raja Krishnamoorthi, D-Illinois
29.Zoe Lofgren, D-California
30.Bonnie Watson Coleman, D-New Jersey
31.Denny Heck, D-Washington
32.Suzan K. DelBene, D-Washington
33.Val Butler Demings, D-Florida
34.Dutch Ruppersberger, D-Maryland
35.Grace Meng, D-New York
36.David Cicilline, D-Rhode Island
37.Alma Adams, North Carolina
38.G. K. Butterfield, D-North Carolina
39.Doris O. Matsui, D-California
40.Jan Schakowsky, D-Illinois
41.Mark Takano, D-California
42.Alcee Hastings, D-Florida
43.Derek Kilmer, D-Washington
44.Mark Pocan, D-Wisconsin
45.Betty McCollum, D-Minnesota
46.Ann M. Kuster, D-New Hampshire
47.Conor Lamb, D-Pennsylvania
48.Robert A. Brady, D-Pennsylvania
49.Kathy Castor, D-Florida
50.Joe Kennedy, D-Massachusetts
51.Earl Blumenauer, D-Oregon
52.Sanford Bishop, D-Georgia
53.Joyce Beatty, D-Ohio
54.Bobby Scott, D-Virginia
55.Katherine Clark, D-Massachusetts
56.Niki Tsongas, D-Massachusetts
57.Charlie Crist, D-Florida
58.Colleen Hanabusa, D-Hawaii
59.Jim Costa, D-California
60.Eric Swalwell, D-California
61.Alan S. Lowenthal, D-California
62.A. Donald McEachin, D-Virginia
63.Ben Ray Luján, D-New Mexico
64.Michelle Lujan Grisham, D-New Mexico
65.Grace Napolitano, D-California
66.Adriano Espaillat, D-New York
67.Jacky Rosen, D-Nevada
68.Tom O’Halleran, D-Arizona
69.Cheri Bustos, Illinois
70.Julia Brownley, D-California
71.Jerry McNerney, D-California
72.Scott Peters, D-California
73.Kyrsten Sinema, D-Arizona
74.Elizabeth Esty, D-Connecticut
75.Bill Foster, D-Illinois
76.Kathleen Rice, D-New York
77.Norma Torres, D-California
78.Eliot Engel, D-New York
79.Donald Norcross, D-New Jersey
80.Frederica S. Wilson, D-Florida
81.Adam B. Schiff, D-California
82.Lisa Blunt Rochester, D-Delaware
83.Paul Tonko, D-New York
84.John Larson, D-Connecticut
85.Keith Ellison, D-Minnesota
86.Susan A. Davis, D-California
87.Jim Cooper, D-Tennessee
88.Jared Huffman, D-California
89.Juan Vargas, D-California
90.Darren Soto, D-Florida
91.Dan Lipinski, D-Illinois
92.Brad Sherman, D-California
93.Matt Cartwright, Pennsylvania
94.John Lewis, D-Georgia
95.Lois Frankel, D-Florida
96.Robin Kelly, D-Illinois
97.Hank Johnson, D-Georgia
98.Ruben J. Kihuen, D-Nevada
99.Nita Lowey, D-New York
100.Brenda Lawrence, D-Michigan
101.Daniel Kildee, D-Michigan
102.Raul Ruiz, D-California
103.William R. Keating, D-Massachusetts
104.Lucille Roybal-Allard, D-California
105.Raúl M. Grijalva, D-Arizona
106.Gene Green, D-Texas
107.James Langevin, D-Rhode Island
108.Luis Gutiérrez, D-Illinois
109.John Garamendi, D-California
110.Danny K. Davis, D-Illinois
111.Jerrold Nadler, D-New York
112.Carolyn B. Maloney, D-New York
113.Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Florida
114.Nydia M. Velázquez, D-New York
115.Ami Bera, D-California
116.Dina Titus, D-Nevada
117.Bill Pascrell, D-New Jersey
118.Michael E. Capuano, D-Massachusetts
119.Dwight Evans, D-Pennsylvania
120.Yvette Clarke, New York
121.Richard M. Nolan, D-Minnesota
122.David Loebsack, D-Iowa
123.José Serrano, D-New York
124.Nanette Diaz Barragán, D-California
125.Brian Higgins. D-New York
126.Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas
127.Marcy Kaptur, D-Ohio
128.Jim Himes, D-Connecticut
129.Donald M. Payne, D-New Jersey
130.Gwen Moore, D-Wisconsin
131.Pete Aguilar, D-California
132.Terri Sewell, D-Alabama
133.J. Luis Correa, D-California
134.Joaquin Castro, D-Texas
135.John Yarmuth , D-Kentucky
Price supports for farm products does seem to benefit agri-conglomerates a lot more than it does farmers.
Yep. The farm bill is full of pork.
I agree the Farm Bill should be split - and I’ve always stated such. And I understand the coercion used in joining the two. However, you cannot sidestep the fact that BOTH parts amount to welfare. How is guaranteeing a farmers income not welfare. Does the income of any other profession or vocation have such a government guarantee attached to it? If I move from one area of the country to another, and, due to the local economy, there is a regional disparity in the salary or hourly wage paid for the same position, all else being equal, do I have recourse to government to cover my loss? No. There is no obligatory rule that says you must pay me whatever the shortfall from the national average that my profession earns. So, therefore, what the “helping farmer’s income” amounts to is welfare, or price fixing.
Same goes for government paying a farmer NOT to grow a specific crop. It’s total bullsh*t. It’s not right. And I’m sick of people attempting to defend it, because somehow we’re supposed to view farmers differently than every other American worker.
Forget DACA it is just a bargaining chip.
Sounds like a deal that should have been taken, if it truly was a promise to bring up the immigration bill in June. We can’t wait a month?
Illegalism is the greatest threat to the nation but actions like this do not help the fight against it.
What is a “strong” bill? Is that another name for a fat bill?
“What constitutional authority does Congress have to decide what goes on on farms around the country?”
Absolutely none. Wickard v Filburn was a disasterous ruling.
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If they offered separately a daca bill, a wall bill, a chain migration bill, and an everify bill, which ones would go down to defeat?
I didn’t say it wasn’t welfare, but it does aggravate me that they call it a farm bill when 80-90% of it has nothing to do with agriculture.
My family ran a cow/calf operation, all farm subsidies did was raise the land prices as well as our feed costs. Let me give you a quick history, which will show how govt screws up literally anything it touches. When the ethanol subsidies started, row crop land was rented in my neighborhood for $120/ acre. In the space of a year,corn prices went sky high, and rent/land prices went with it. My dad who is 85 sold his cattle and rented the ground that was farmable for $240 an acre, and this is NOT Illinois/N Iowa type ground. Now the prices come down on grain (because all the pasture is plowed up) the farmers already have the land cash rented for $240 an acre and they are entirely dependent on Uncle Sugar, just as planned.
In short, I’m NOT defending it, you are absolutely mistaken!! My family never got a cent, cattle prices were never subsidized, we never had land in CRP(cause we hadn’t planted it in corn),
Basically I’m trying to explain how once again, govt ‘help’ ends up bankrupting people, or at the least making them dependent.
Again, my point is that they should be separate, make the farm states vote on their pork, and make the blue states vote on their giveaways separate and neither will likely exist.
The Department of Agriculture is FUBAR. Our farm industry is in serious trouble and we write a check for at least a Billion every year so freeloaders can use EBT/”Food Stamps” which is a grossly corrupt and abused system. These Farm Bills are disgusting.
That’s it Conservatives! Give Ryan and the global political rinos H E double hockey sticks! Hang in there farmers!
I agree with all you stated. However, here is what I have observed in my southwestern corner of the prairie ...
Yes, I bought land here - 12 acres. Did I need 12 acres? No. But that is the smallest parcel anyone around here was willing to sell - and, at the time (2005) it was a wheat field, worth $500 / acre.
The seller wanted to recoup his legal expenses for the transaction; so he sold the land at $600 / acre. He had one last crop of wheat planted, and agreed to split the proceeds with me at a 50/50 share. At the time of the harvest, winter wheat was selling at $7.43 / bushel, so I made a decent profit. However, this same farmer urged me to keep the wheat in storage; but, being raised in the city, I trusted the old adage “a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush” - and so I immediately sold my share. Had I held it in storage, I would have lost 3/4 of the value in about 3 months. But this is the mentality of the locals.
Worse, as you say, they see the opportunity created from subsidy-driven ethanol, and buy up more land to plant corn. They then they go deeper into debt because they need to purchase, on credit, higher capacity harvest equipment having more “bells n whistles” ... So to offset the debt they buy even more land - either on credit or at an estate auction - so to produce larger harvests, and supposedly bring in more income to cover their existing loans, and the escalating overhead costs on all the “fancy” new tractors and combines, for which they leveraged themselves to the Moon. This they do all the while betting that corn prices will rise further. No matter how much they lose, they keep betting.
It’s an insane business plan, but they all go for it because they know “uncle Sugar” has them covered. Then, when the bottom drops out of the grain markets, the rest of us are supposed to cover their losses?
I’m in agreement. When corn got high, I told people, they’ll just go cash rent some more ground for twice as much $$ to make sure that they don’t make any money.
my dad was so untrusting, when I was in HS, I noticed he had some $100 bills in the freezer along with some deeds. He always raised horses and he had coon hounds so some years they would kill 2-300 coons at $35 a hide and he’d throw the cash in the freezer. I asked him about the deeds, and he said that if he went to the bank to borrow some operating money, they would want to borrow it against all his land. The deeds in the freezer were the deeds to the land the bank didn’t know he owned!
Has PDJT tweeted at all about the farm subsidies? I’d be interested to know his take, being in business for so long and how much palm-greasing, glad-handing and circle-jerking goes on in the Real Estate/Construction industry, which you can sort of equate to Big Ag.
The farm bill, as it stands is utterly (udderly!) ridiculous. We farm on a small scale, and we are in two programs that give us tax breaks, but no checks mailed to us. One of them is a Wildlife Management Area in our woods to help grow big Bucks and the other is the way we fertilize to protect waterways and groundwater and we ‘contour’ plant, alternating corn, soybean and hay to prevent erosion on our VERY hilly crop land.
However, there are HUGE operations in our area that get ridiculous subsidies for all kinds of stuff. There’s an empty field nearby of at least 100 acres that sits fallow, year after year because someone is paid NOT to grow anything on it to keep crop prices a few cents higher.
It’s all so out of whack. I really feel for our Wisconsin Dairy Farmers; they take it in the shorts year after year. :(
Deeds in the freezer? Hmm - frozen assets?
Sorry, couldn’t resist the opening.
Same sh*t goes on here in Nebraska, with the “keep it fallow for Uncle Sugar’s $$$”
Oh, and contrary to popular belief, Nebraska is NOT “flat” by any stretch. Mostly rolling hills, canyons and plateaus. Ok, we do have “flat” areas; but it’s a virtual jigsaw puzzle of other terrain.
something like that!
Is this really a bad thing? Does its failure mean no more food stamps?
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