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The Unexpected Winner from the Trump Kim Summit
Wall Street Journal ^ | 06/13/2018 | Jeremy Page

Posted on 06/13/2018 6:24:46 AM PDT by Wuli

BEIJING—China is setting its sights on a key role in North Korea’s future, seeking to be part of any peace treaty, weapons inspections and economic assistance, after emerging as a surprise beneficiary of the summit between the U.S. and North Korean leaders.

Chinese officials are expected to stake out their positions for a post-summit North Korea when U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo visits Beijing on Thursday to discuss the outcome of the talks between President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

At the top of China’s agenda are an easing of the economic sanctions that pressured North Korea into negotiations and working on ways to provide security guarantees to give Pyongyang the confidence to dismantle its nuclear program.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; korea; northkorea; singaporesummit; trumpasia; winners
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This topic weighs on the future of the political dynamics, and political pressures on South Korea, in the decades ahead, that will come from a still politically unreformed modern robust China together with a still politically unchanged modern robust North Korea. The history of the China-Korea relationship, going back centuries, says the pressures (and maybe subversion as well) could be as immense on South Korea politically as they have been militarily.
1 posted on 06/13/2018 6:24:47 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

Trump.... mad genius? Or lucky mad man? When you step back to see the larger picture, the plan looks so.. simple and obvious.


2 posted on 06/13/2018 6:26:31 AM PDT by Paradox (Don't call them mainstream, there is nothing mainstream about the MSM.)
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To: Wuli

Not a fan of the current South Korean govt either. Total lefties. Will be interesting to see the level of involvement in N. Korea’s future America will see benefit its interest.


3 posted on 06/13/2018 6:27:14 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: Wuli

China is evolving politically to be acceptable to the majority thqat is young and prospering and intent on continuing to prosper.

You think in outmoded terms of Chicoms when the reality in China is a nation evolving increasingly into Chicaps.

The old men are dying out and their hold is loostening


4 posted on 06/13/2018 6:28:24 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming))
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To: Wuli

Trump haters are ignoring something special about this summit. Somehow word of it reached the North Korean prison labor camps. The inmates know that human rights was at least discussed Trump has brought hope and solace to some of the most desperately suffering and forgotten people on the planet.


5 posted on 06/13/2018 6:36:31 AM PDT by allendale (.)
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To: Paradox

Trump is the first POTUS since Reagan to play foreign relations chess instead of checkers.


6 posted on 06/13/2018 6:36:45 AM PDT by john316 (JOSHUA 24:15 ...choose you this day whom ye will serve...)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

“Total lefties.”

Right and like all Liberals forever dependent on the US taxpayers... they don’t like the idea of having the plug pulled on them.

Liberals all have a needle in their arm called ‘the US government’

SK needs to take care of itself.... it’s been how many decades now?... Time for them to LIVE the autonomy WE bought for them.


7 posted on 06/13/2018 6:40:14 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Nearly all men can stand adversity...to test a man's character, give him power." A. Lincoln)
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To: bert
The old men are dying out and their hold is loostening
. . . meanwhile, technology is enabling Big Brother.

8 posted on 06/13/2018 6:44:52 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Journalism promotes itself - and promotes big government - by speaking ill of society.)
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To: SMARTY
SK needs to take care of itself.... it’s been how many decades now?... Time for them to LIVE the autonomy WE bought for them.

As a half-Korean who would not have been born unless my dad were stationed there...I agree!

But I don't want China/Russia in their current anti-American, authoritarian incantations to benefit so much. It would be nice that Korea - a 'united' Korea no less, remain an ally and pro-American in its orientation even without a U.S. troop presence.

9 posted on 06/13/2018 6:46:07 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: bert

“China is a nation evolving increasingly into Chicaps”

The Chicaps may be more dangerous, with added ‘soft’ power, working the system.

Still, the Chicaps may evolve into fat and lazy just like Uncle Sam and the Euros.

Hopefully, the muzzies will always be stuck in the stone ages.


10 posted on 06/13/2018 6:47:53 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (This Space for Rent)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Not a fan of the current South Korean govt either. Total lefties.

As opposed to the solid conservatives in Pyongyang?

11 posted on 06/13/2018 6:48:07 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: allendale
Somehow word of it reached the North Korean prison labor camps. The inmates know that human rights was at least discussed

Except that human rights were not discussed. Someone is lying to the inmates.

12 posted on 06/13/2018 6:49:01 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: bert

China is evolving politically to be acceptable to the majority thqat is young and prospering and intent on continuing to prosper.

You think in outmoded terms of Chicoms when the reality in China is a nation evolving increasingly into Chicaps.

If that is true. Then the timing of Korean "unification" is everything.

13 posted on 06/13/2018 6:49:54 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Chinoligarchs....


14 posted on 06/13/2018 6:56:27 AM PDT by PTBAA
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

It is hard for me to fathom the WSJ is just getting the idea that a huge part of this is the work of China. Yuge. Trump may have had Xi right next to him. They act surprised......

Maybe their journalists are young and horribly inexperienced in the way things really work too, like most of the mainstream media


15 posted on 06/13/2018 6:57:09 AM PDT by PSUGOP
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To: Wuli

60 years of his family watching South Korea grow with US aid, 30 years of watching China grow with US aid (and not share), has to weigh heavily on the attitude of a secluded Gen-Xer. Somewhere down the road, Kim could pull a Sadat on China... That didn’t well for Sadat, but he is looked up to in the part of the Western World that looks up to him, when Republicans are in charge of the White House.


16 posted on 06/13/2018 6:59:26 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Wuli
China is setting its sights on a key role in North Korea’s future

Thank you WSJ for drawing attention to the Chicom's wish list for NK

This gives President Donald J. Trump (and I love typing that and the WIN) a handy wedge issue in negotiating down the trade imbalance.

17 posted on 06/13/2018 7:04:16 AM PDT by spokeshave2 (Formerly as spokeshave...now restarted after computer issues.)
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To: DoodleDawg

In South Korea, “lefties” are those who call for appeasement and a utopian/hippie-dippie Marxist unification with the North. They are typically anti-American and blame the USA for the 70 year standoff. Ironically, the timing of Moon Jae In’s presidency plus Kim Jong Un’s relative youth leave an opening for Trump to negotiate (but on our terms of course.)

Current elephant in the room in S. Korea is its prior conservative and first female president: Park Geun-Hye. She was impeached over a year ago and sentenced to 30 years in jail over trumped up charges even more insane than our bogus Mueller/FBI investigation we got going on over here.

She is the daughter of President Park Chung Hee (served from 1963 - 1979) who was known to rule with an iron hand, yet is credited for building the country up into the economic power it is today. He and his wife were both assassinated.

However had Park Geun-Hye and the conservatives remained in power, Trump may not have achieved what he had this week...as they tend to take a harder-line hawkish stance with the North.


18 posted on 06/13/2018 7:06:50 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

I obsserve China from various reports That may all have an agenda, but it seems that that China and especially the young have embraced some technology that is advanced ahead of us. That is home grown rather than appropriated rether than stolen

A case in point is point of sale transactions on smart phones. The young buyer has a bank account that provides automatic payments with an ap. That ap incorporates the capability to deal with the transaction aps of say McDonalds. The ap is called up and then the McDonalds or Webdy’s or whqat ever ap is selected and up pops a menu. The desired items are ordered and then picked up. on pickup, the vendor is payed and the transaction is closed.

Meanwhile in America, the fast food industry is considering kiosks for order entry a la Sheetz. That technology is already obsolete even before it is implemented.


19 posted on 06/13/2018 7:13:17 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming))
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Well, like the President says..... we’ll see.

But consider the fact that the geographically limited Pearl River Delta has experienced tremendous urbanization, industrial growth and population increase. In a decade or so, this rather geographically small region of China has grown into the 13th largest economy in the world. Taipan has triumphed.

It is populated by ambitious and relatively prosperous young people that want the good life. They have rejected the poverty of the hinderlands and moved from home to something new, something attractive, something different.

It is this movement that will be the driving political force. The government will evolve into who knows what but it will not back track into the old Maoist ways.

I’m pretty sure Kim, who after all is young, is motivated by the same forces and sees President Trump as a useful tool in transitioning his very backward nation into change.

We’ll see

it is mostly populated by ambitious young people who like the good life


20 posted on 06/13/2018 7:23:41 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming))
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