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The German Feministsí Dilemma (rapes by Muslim immmigrants)
New York Times ^ | June 12, 2018 | Anna Sauerbrey

Posted on 06/13/2018 7:09:42 AM PDT by reaganaut1

Berlin — A brutal murder case has gripped Germany: On June 6 the body of a 14-year-old girl, Susanna Maria Feldmann, was found in Wiesbaden. She had been raped and strangled. Two days later her alleged assailant, Ali Bashar, a 20-year-old asylum seeker from Iraq, was apprehended in Iraqi Kurdistan, where he had fled. He reportedly confessed to the murder.

The case is just the latest in a string of murders and assaults by asylum seekers against women in Germany. In October 2016, Maria Ladenburger, a 19-year-old university student, was raped and killed by an Afghan asylum seeker. In December 2017, Mia Valentin, a 15-year-old girl, was stabbed to death in a drugstore by her ex-boyfriend, an Afghan migrant.

The cases have added fuel to the far right’s fiery anti-immigrant rhetoric. And it has created a dilemma for Germany’s liberal feminists: How can they fight against violence without supporting anti-immigrant resentments? Or to put it even more bluntly: Is it even possible to defend pluralism and women’s rights at the same time in Germany today?

Violence against women committed by immigrant men first became a topic of debate after hundreds of women were sexually harassed and abused by groups of young men, most of whom were immigrants from North African countries, at Cologne’s main train station on New Year’s Eve in 2015. Since then there has been a steady drumbeat of stories, ranging from harassment in the streets to rape and murder, across Germany.

The far right has exploited these cases to support its call to defend Western culture against “Islamization.” Men from “Muslim” societies generally hold negative and denigrating images of women, the far right claims, and these hideous crimes make clear how much of a threat they are to “the Occident” in general and to women in particular.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Germany
KEYWORDS: angelamerkel; europe; europeanunion; feminism; germany; hijrah; muslims; nato; rape; susannafeldman
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It would not be a dilemma if feminists were more interested in protecting women than bashing men from their own race.
1 posted on 06/13/2018 7:09:42 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

Seems appropriate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecJUqhm2g08


2 posted on 06/13/2018 7:10:42 AM PDT by Kriggerel ("All great truths are hard and bitter, but lies... are sweeter than wild honey" (Ragnar Redbeard))
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It’s not the same, these are manly men rapists, not native pussymen...


3 posted on 06/13/2018 7:12:54 AM PDT by null and void (Have the courage to shine the light of reason in a dark world)
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To: reaganaut1

Stupid people encounter many things that seem contradictory.


4 posted on 06/13/2018 7:13:17 AM PDT by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrat's John Dean])
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Interesting that in the NYT’s world being against immigrants raping and killing your women makes you “far right”.


5 posted on 06/13/2018 7:13:18 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Steely Tom

“Since then there has been a steady drumbeat of stories, ranging from harassment in the streets to rape and murder, across Germany.”

The solution is obvious. Ban reporting on the crimes and jail anyone who dares to do so.

L


6 posted on 06/13/2018 7:17:11 AM PDT by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: Kriggerel

“Muslim” societies generally hold negative and denigrating images of women, the far right claims,”

Yeah the right claims. nothing says we believe women are equal better than making women wear tents and forbidding them to drive or vote or be educated or...


7 posted on 06/13/2018 7:18:59 AM PDT by gibsonguy
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Note the possessive pronoun in Mr. Meuthen’s statement. It’s patriarchal, but with a racist twist. In the far-right rhetoric, the attacks of (brown) men on (white) women are often framed as attacks on the German people.

Mind-aching mental gymnastics to avoid stating the obvious.

8 posted on 06/13/2018 7:20:48 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: reaganaut1

“Victim” Feminists have no actual interest in improving the status of women anywhere. It would cost them their narrative.


9 posted on 06/13/2018 7:22:57 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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“The Far Right has exploited these cases”

I freaking despise these sons of bitches so much! Proof that your Government is committing Genocide against you is NOT “exploiting” anything. Exploitation is the Left standing on top of still warm high-school corpses to call for Gun Control!


10 posted on 06/13/2018 7:25:07 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: reaganaut1

Similar to the Bill Clinton rape dilemma.


11 posted on 06/13/2018 7:28:42 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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This is a pure “opinion” article written by a progressive. Nothing new...everything is “nuanced”...


12 posted on 06/13/2018 7:31:29 AM PDT by Herodes
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ARM YOURSELVES, LADIES !

I don't care WHAT the gun laws are in Germany, or France or England.

You'll spend a lifetime as a whack job from the trauma of rape, probably causing more harm to fellow humans ...

or the possible not guilty verdict at a trial

or time in jail, untouched because you are now a proud killer of one of Satan's minions.

COWERING IN FEAR AND DOING NOTHING STRENGTHENS EVIL.

13 posted on 06/13/2018 7:31:43 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true, I have no proof, but they're true)
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Wiesbaden is such a beautiful city. It’s a shame that getman men have been castrated and don’t realize they are supposed to ptotect their women and girls.


14 posted on 06/13/2018 7:34:07 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory.)
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German women are learning that hairy legs & armpits and bad body odor are no deterrent to Muzzie scumbag goat f***ers.


15 posted on 06/13/2018 7:34:20 AM PDT by nickedknack
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The conclusion is telling.....

"....Finding an effective remedy always needs to be preceded by a careful analysis of the causes. Taking into account the background of the perpetrators is a necessity, however uncomfortable. Whoever addresses the topic, however, walks a thin line. Conservatives like Ms. Klöckner carefully weave in allusions to the “Decline of the West.” “What will our country look like in 20 years,” she asks, “given hundreds of thousands of young men who live in our country and have never heard of women’s rights?” This sort of rhetoric is a dog whistle to the far right, even though Ms. Klöckner and others deny it. But to be fair, nuance is very hard to convey in a public discourse that is extremely polarized and characterized by mutual fearmongering and trivialization. And yet it is important that feminists try to walk this line and start to take seemingly impossible positions: defending the religious freedom of Muslim women who want to wear head scarves, while helping girls who are forced to do so, and addressing the fact that some men newly immigrated from Arab countries hold misogynist views — while stressing this is probably not the key factor that leads to crimes against women. In this position, liberal feminists will never look like they are right. But they will be right."

So.............. rape and murder committed by a person coming from a society which is riff with sexism is somehow not so bad as a rape and murder by someone raised in Germany?

But feminists have been telling us for years how our WESTERN SOCIETIES are filled with misogynists who don't treat women with respect. Does that mean we should all get a pass for these horrific crimes? Since when does the the country of their birth somehow excuse barbaric behavior?

16 posted on 06/13/2018 7:35:06 AM PDT by Sa-teef
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Betcha a dollar to a weiner schnitzel it will get

worse Frau.

Not quite as bad tho as when the Russians were there...yet.


17 posted on 06/13/2018 7:35:31 AM PDT by Harold Shea (VN vet)
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To: circlecity

“Interesting that in the NYT’s world being against immigrants raping and killing your women makes you “far right”.

Makes sense when you realize the left is against everything good, decent, wholesome and productive.


18 posted on 06/13/2018 7:35:51 AM PDT by all the best
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Two days later her alleged assailant, Ali Bashar, a 20-year-old asylum seeker from Iraq, was apprehended in Iraqi Kurdistan, where he had fled.

Makes you wonder why he was seeking asylum, when he could so easily flee back there to avoid criminal penalties... /sarcasm

19 posted on 06/13/2018 7:36:54 AM PDT by MortMan (The white board is a remarkable invention.)
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Wouldn’t be a dilemma if I ruled the world.


20 posted on 06/13/2018 7:41:24 AM PDT by Fhios (Atlas shrugged, Sessions yawned.)
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