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The Domino Effect Of The Trump Admin Gutting Pre-Existing Conditions Protections
TPM ^ | 06/13/2018 | Alice Ollstein

Posted on 06/13/2018 12:51:09 PM PDT by GIdget2004

The Trump administration’s new attempt to have key pieces of the Affordable Care Act struck down in federal court — particularly the ban on insurance companies turning people away or charging them higher premiums based on a pre-existing condition — could have a serious and damaging domino effect throughout the health care sector. Insurance trade groups, health care experts and lawmakers say the fallout is likely to extend beyond the individual market, impacting many of the tens of millions of Americans who get their health insurance from an employer.

The Justice Department is arguing in a new court brief that the repeal of the individual mandate penalty Congress passed in 2017 as part of a tax overhaul renders several remaining parts of the Affordable Care Act unconstitutional — pointing to the Supreme Court’s 2012 ruling that upheld the heart of the ACA by interpreting it as a tax.

The DOJ, weighing in on behalf of 20 GOP-controlled states who are seeking to strike down the ACA in its entirety, says the ACA’s ban on discrimination based on pre-existing conditions and limits on charging older patients higher premiums are invalid, and they are requesting that the court put a halt to those provisions in January of 2019, when enforcement of the individual mandate is set to be terminated.

Republicans, who repeatedly promised last year that protections for pre-existing conditions would be preserved even as they voted to repeal the ACA, are panicking about the administration’s move, with an eye on its impact on this fall’s midterm elections.

(Excerpt) Read more at talkingpointsmemo.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aca; obamacare; pizzagate
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1 posted on 06/13/2018 12:51:09 PM PDT by GIdget2004
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To: GIdget2004

Pre-existing conditions: You buy car insurance after you have a severe accident and expect them to fix it.


2 posted on 06/13/2018 12:52:41 PM PDT by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm using my wife's account.)
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To: GIdget2004

Paraphrasing Lincoln: Let the thing be gutted.


3 posted on 06/13/2018 12:54:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: GIdget2004

Trump is supposed to announce his replacement plans soon.


4 posted on 06/13/2018 12:54:53 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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To: GIdget2004

After the ACA was implemented my friend had to start paying over $750/month in premiums and a deductable of $10,000. Leftists love stealing from those that work hard and pay their own way and give payoffs to those that don’t to buy their votes


5 posted on 06/13/2018 12:58:14 PM PDT by MadLibDisease (Proudly residing in Dar-al-Harb since 1959)
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To: GIdget2004
“Everybody I know in the Senate, everybody, is in favor of maintaining coverage for pre-existing conditions,” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) insisted to reporters on Tuesday. “There is no difference of opinion about that whatsoever.”

Hey...dumbass! Did you ever bother to ask someone who's NOT running for office what THEY want? No, you didn't. I got into a debate not too long ago with a lady who's son had a heart attack at age 37. He was overweight (5'9", 280lb), had bad eating habits, and never exercised. She said if it wasn't for the ACA, he wouldn't be able to afford heath insurance. Well, here we are 10 years later, he hasn't changed anything, except he weighs over 350lbs now. Well, if he doesn't care enough to take care of himself, why should I subsidize his health insurance?

6 posted on 06/13/2018 12:59:57 PM PDT by econjack
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To: GIdget2004

TPM is the worst sort of lying, uber-leftist propaganda organ.

case in point:

“The Trump administration’s new attempt to have key pieces of the Affordable Care Act struck down in federal court”

Trump administration did not and is not going to court: 23 U.S. states filed the lawsuit. Trump’s DoJ merely stated they agree with the states and won’t defend the law in court ...


7 posted on 06/13/2018 1:00:47 PM PDT by catnipman ((Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!))
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To: GIdget2004
I am a beneficiary of pre-existing conditions. Prior to it I simply could not buy insurance. And this is even while the pre-existing condition was cleared by doctors.

I realize and fully support ending Obamacare but we need to be careful in the transition and replacement. An open market needs to have some patient protection--patient bill of rights, certain pre-conditions as trade for selling insurance, and some protection for those few people that are thereafter still unable to buy affordable coverage. Obamacare was heavy fist approach and fails. Our family insurance has gone from a couple hundred dollars to nearly two thousand dollars a month. Hard to afford in weak business months, like the summer.

8 posted on 06/13/2018 1:01:32 PM PDT by Reno89519 (No Amnesty! No Catch-and-Release! Just Say No to All Illegal Aliens! Arrest & Deport!)
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To: robroys woman

“You buy car insurance after you have a severe accident and expect them to fix it.”

So what is the solution? Are people who were sick just SOL?


9 posted on 06/13/2018 1:01:49 PM PDT by GIdget2004
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To: GIdget2004

IIRC, the Affordable Care Act was passed without a severability clause. This means that if one part gets struck down, the rest is also struck down.


10 posted on 06/13/2018 1:01:58 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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GOPe is panicking?

Well if they had passed the “repeal and replace” that they had been promising us for 7 years instead of letting McCain gut it at the last minute, Trump would have signed it and we wouldn’t be having this conversation now, would we?

Hey GOPe, it’s not too late to keep your promises and pass “repeal and replace” before the Nov mid-terms!!


11 posted on 06/13/2018 1:04:16 PM PDT by AC86UT89
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So what is the solution? Are people who were sick just SOL?


Regarding the government, yep. Not in their mission statement.


12 posted on 06/13/2018 1:06:03 PM PDT by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm using my wife's account.)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

>>IIRC, the Affordable Care Act was passed without a severability clause. This means that if one part gets struck down, the rest is also struck down.<<

Isn’t that on SCOUTUS’s docket? I seem to recall it being so but I have been wrong before (OK, only once).


13 posted on 06/13/2018 1:10:07 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ("We were designed as gardeners, not cubicle rats." (/robroys woman))
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To: GIdget2004

So what is the solution? Are people who were sick just SOL?


My wife and I are 64 and have not had health insurance since the day Obamacare became the law (1/1/2014).

We take personal responsibility for our health and we trust the Great Healer. He has been faithful.

And if something does happen? Well this kind of aligns with my whole position on it. First, I understand that nobody lives forever. Second, I have no children depending on me as they are all grown. Third, most of the “insured” treatments I would not opt for. Fourth, most treatments I would opt for are really not that expensive. e.g. broken bones. Fifth, if something really expensive comes up, well refer to the first.

As the apostle Paul said, to live is Christ and to die is gain.


14 posted on 06/13/2018 1:11:37 PM PDT by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm using my wife's account.)
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To: robroys woman; GIdget2004

It’s terribly flippant reply but true.

Government with the aid of trial lawyers have run up the costs of everything but especially health care.

My grandfather had coverage when he was diagnosed with lung cancer and was undergoing treatment when the company cancelled it for ‘pre-existing conditions” My grandmother and he was running a fruit stand at the time and with the help of their daughter(my mother) they paid off the doctor’s bill after my grandfather died of the disease.
This was 1968 so the bill was about 2-3000 thousand dollars.

Now it would cost upwards of a million or two, thanks to government interference and trial lawyers suing at the drop of a hat.
Don’t know what the answer to your case is but getting the goverment and lawyers involved will only drive the costs up.


15 posted on 06/13/2018 1:31:26 PM PDT by RedMonqey (" Those who turn their arms in for plowshares will be doing the plowing for those who didn’t.")
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To: GIdget2004

Can’t see how they are in any different situation than before Obamacare.


16 posted on 06/13/2018 1:40:30 PM PDT by bigbob (Trust Sessions. Trust the Plan.)
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To: RedMonqey

I believe that one silver lining in us becoming a litigious society is that thanks to ambulance chasers it is very difficult for insurance companies to claim “pre-existing” conditions unless it is very clear that is the case. And getting sick while insured does not mean that if you are still sick a year later it suddenly becomes a pre-existing condition.


17 posted on 06/13/2018 1:42:09 PM PDT by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm using my wife's account.)
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To: bigbob

“Can’t see how they are in any different situation than before Obamacare.”

So, SOL. Got it.


18 posted on 06/13/2018 1:42:45 PM PDT by GIdget2004
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To: Reno89519

“patient bill of rights, certain pre-conditions as trade for selling insurance,”

Why do you believe you are entitled to other people’s money?? What if there were no medical insurance companies?


19 posted on 06/13/2018 1:44:14 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: GIdget2004

“Are people who were sick just SOL?”

What if there were no medical insurance companies?? Why are the sick entitled to other people’s money?


20 posted on 06/13/2018 1:45:18 PM PDT by CodeToad
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