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Officials worry Trump may back Erik Prince plan to privatize war in Afghanistan
NBC "News" ^ | Aug.17, 2018 | Carol E. Lee, Courtney Kube and Josh Lederman

Posted on 08/17/2018 12:04:37 PM PDT by Behind the Blue Wall

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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Thought the same thing lol.


21 posted on 08/17/2018 2:41:25 PM PDT by CJ Wolf (Free wwg1wga! Woe is media...)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

Mercs are k for coups and security but you can’t use them to fight an entire culture.


22 posted on 08/17/2018 2:47:05 PM PDT by Eternal_Bear (AND)
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To: vette6387

Too many people inside the beltway profit from the Afghan opium industry.

They’re not going to allow their money train to be derailed.


23 posted on 08/17/2018 2:51:24 PM PDT by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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To: Defiant; Behind the Blue Wall

We could always do BOTH - regular military and more private contractors. Each have their strengths and weaknesses.

One proposal is to fund private military contractors as security on development deals - Afghanistan has some rich mineral deposits that could fund security and development.


24 posted on 08/17/2018 2:57:17 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo

If you listen to the interview, his proposal was actually to have 2000 Special Forces and I think 6000 private contractors.


25 posted on 08/17/2018 2:59:51 PM PDT by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Blackwater isn't just hiring people off the street

I know that. If they want to continue to be involved in the military, they should stay in the military. Corporate profit and mercenaries should not be how wars are fought. How does a military function in a fully effective manner if it trains people then they move on to profiteering at the taxpayer expense, and not providing their expertise serving with those still in the military? Besides which, how can we trust them to not go to an even higher bidder (and potentially an enemy of the US) since they've already sold out to a higher bidder once?

26 posted on 08/17/2018 3:16:29 PM PDT by grania (President Trump, stop believing the Masters of War!)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

“his proposal was actually to have 2000 Special Forces and ...private contractors.”

It makes sense. You have so much combat power (MOABs, gunships, B52s) that the military can bring to bear, along with the Intelligence capabilities of the Nation.

Contractors can have very low footprints and logistics tails. They also can bring a very different long term memory, and a better ability to tie incentives to results.


27 posted on 08/17/2018 3:25:27 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: grania
I mostly reject your premise about "selling out." These guys served their time in the military, left the military and found a job. It's not as though they're deserting in order to work for a PMC.

Like it or not, mercenaries and profiteering have existed for as long as war itself. A lot of guys get out of the military and find that they miss the lifestyle, the tempo, or whatever. Or they simply find that they need a job and their prior training makes them far better suited for work as a military contractor than as anything else. PMCs offer them the opportunity to use their skills for in many cases numerous times more pay than the military provides.

I wouldn't worry about American military vets going over to an enemy nation and fighting against the US. Getting a well-paying job with a PMC and fighting against the US are two things with eons of daylight between them.

28 posted on 08/17/2018 4:21:19 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd ( Flag burners can go screw -- I'm mighty PROUD of that ragged old flag)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
You've stated one of my concerns. Instead of re-enlisting if they wish to return to the military life, they sign up with a private contractor for a lot more pay. That pay is provided with tax dollars that we pay. If they're passionate about the cause, they should be willing to sign up for the pay those who are enlisted receive. The concept that they fight not because the cause is just but because they make enough money is distasteful.

Mercenaries and profiteering have existed for as long as war itself. No argument there. That doesn't make it right. We should strive for less war, not wars fought by people who will fight them for enough dollars.

Another thing is the profit incentive firms like Blackwater have to keep the war going. More war, more profit.

29 posted on 08/17/2018 4:34:17 PM PDT by grania (President Trump, stop believing the Masters of War!)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

How about we just call it a wrap. If we need to go back we go “scorched earth”.


30 posted on 08/17/2018 5:19:06 PM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

Sounds more like someone trying to get the Trump concern trolls all worked up about something else...


31 posted on 08/18/2018 3:35:09 AM PDT by trebb (So many "experts" with so little experience in what they preach....even here...)
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To: grania
I can't fault people who choose to make 100k+ instead of 50k or however much, doing a job with a (generally) far more manageable operational tempo, that you can walk away from with breach of contract payment instead of a stint in Leavenworth.

I understand where you're coming from, but the vast majority of these guys have already sacrificed more than most of us can dream of. If they choose to move on to a more lucrative use of their skills, I'm in no position to second-guess them.

32 posted on 08/20/2018 7:15:14 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd ( Flag burners can go screw -- I'm mighty PROUD of that ragged old flag)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

If you’re making billions of dollars per year fighting the war then where is the incentive to end it?


33 posted on 08/20/2018 7:16:24 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
If they choose to move on to a more lucrative use of their skills, I'm in no position to second guess them

But isn't it just fine to second-guess a system that lets them make those salaries instead of deciding that if the war is worth fighting, it's worth fighting as a member of the military?

34 posted on 08/20/2018 7:42:12 AM PDT by grania (President Trump, stop believing the Masters of War!)
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To: DoodleDawg

Yeah, but presumably the U.S. military is still making strategic decisions. If the contractor is “slow-walking” carrying out those decisions, then that becomes a performance issue.


35 posted on 08/20/2018 7:48:32 AM PDT by Behind the Blue Wall
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