Posted on 08/21/2018 3:01:15 AM PDT by Libloather
Title should be: Prisoners elect to save tax dollars by not eating.
Wardens have no power to sentence people or dictate which prison they go to. They have no profit inventive to maximize prisoners. Maybe kickbacks from some contractors but each one is a tiny percentage of the whole pie that private prisons would get so it is far less likely.
It all goes through judges and so far the only judges CONVICTED of this have been all bribed by private prisons. Look up Luzerne and Lake Erie prisons bribing judges as soon as privatization was legal. I’m traveling and do not have the bandwidth to find the links now.
Meant to say “...far less likely to result in judges being bribed and unnecessary sentences given for direct profit.”
I repeat....similar corruption has been found in many places in government-run institutions. Different incentives may apply...the corruption is still the same.
"It all goes through judges and so far the only judges CONVICTED of this have been all bribed by private prisons.
Sorry. Not buying it. "Privatized" prisons are a relatively very new phenomenon in the penal system world. Corrupt judges have been found and removed long before the first privatized prison was even a gleam in an evil capitalist's eye.
"Look up Luzerne and Lake Erie prisons bribing judges as soon as privatization was legal.
I repeat.....anecdotal data. Sample size miniscule. Proves nothing.
If this happened as often as you claim, show me just ONE piece of “anecdotal” evidence of corruption where a judge was bribed by a public prison to sentence someone they otherwise would not have.
Some lost tax money from kickbacks/theft is not even close to the same as falsely imprisoning people
And, they get the right to sit in their cells 24 hours per day, with no TV.
You may well be right, unlearner, but I was making a distinction between prisons and penitentiaries, which were intended to produce repentance. Regardless, you’re certainly correct that prisons existed even before the Mosaic Law.
Thanks for your response!
The lunatics are running the asylum.
Ancient Israel also had “sanctuary cities” as directed by the Torah. They weren’t specifically for immigrants or visitors but were part of the legal / judicial system for those accused of murder but may have killed someone by accident or even in self-defense.
Let them starve and die.
I'm not making the argument, bro....you are. You have shown not a thing other than an opinion. Put up or shut up. What do you think one or two cases show??? Statistically, not a damned thing.
"Some lost tax money from kickbacks/theft is not even close to the same as falsely imprisoning people.
Corrupt district attorneys can cause "false imprisonment" as well as judges. Your total focus on judges is simply a bogus argument.
Show me a study comparing the rates of false imprisonment between "private prisons" and "government prisons" dating back to the widespread establishment of private prisons in the USA (that would be 1980) and you might actually be able to make a valid argument.
I completely agree.
DA does not get the final call to imprison or sentence anyone. Show me ANY official bribed by ANYONE from a public prison that directly resulted in false imprisonment.
Just ONE
Simple solution, do what is down in South America; simply guard against escape from the outside, free for all on the inside. Cells open 24x7, free passage inside the walls; try and take one step outside the walls and you get shot. Let them live like animals if that is what they want
He can choose to try more people, manufacture false evidence, suggest longer sentences, etc, etc. His power to accomplish the necessary population increase is actually far greater than a judge's.
Corrupt DA's have been around since the office of DA was first instituted.
I say again....show me statistics comparing government-run institutions vs. privately-run institutions...not anecdotal data.
A DA can do whatever they want but only a judge can give a sentence.
This is deep on the inside and so difficult to that we only have anecdotal data. Real incidents and real convictions. Right now that data and human nature leans against private prisons. More money in the hands of one corporation = more power to corrupt
Nine times out of ten, the judge will follow the recommendations made by the DA. To increase the prison population, all that is needed is for the DA to recommend more cases to trial. Length of sentence is actually pretty irrelevant. Longer is better, of course, but it is total number of cases that matter more, and it is the DA that determines that.
"This is deep on the inside and so difficult to that we only have anecdotal data. Real incidents and real convictions.
BS! With that statement you just lost all credibility. There is a close to forty year time interval of data available for comparison. That literally amounts to MILLIONS of data points. Which should be plenty of information to make a valid statistical comparison between publicly and privately run penal institutions without any need to isolate specific instances.
"Right now that data and human nature leans against private prisons.
No, it does NOT! That is total speculation and a completely unproven supposition. Dude, I'm a scientist. I "do" understand data and statistics. Apparently you don't.
"More money in the hands of one corporation = more power to corrupt"
So why did false imprisonments happen AT ALL in the years before 1980?? Again...sheer speculation.
“That is total speculation and a completely unproven supposition. “
No, it is logic. WHO is paying the DAs to increase the public prison population if there is nobody taking in the prison profits off the top?
The warden out of his own pocket? Or are all the prison workers pooling their funds to ensure job security?
Maybe a private subcontractor would want prisons to grow but that only proves the corruption that comes from privatization of ANY portion of the prison industry.
Anybody who supplies ANYTHING to the prisons in exchange for money. There are thousands of possibilities for sources of corrupt influence. The profit doesn't need to be "taken off the top". It can be bled off anywhere along the way.
"Logic" is very often wrong....any hard scientist knows that.
I can find no argument to your solutions, my FRiend.
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