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NY Times: Trump Is Crude. But He’s Right About Saudi Arabia.
NYTimes ^ | Michael Doran and Tony Badran

Posted on 11/22/2018 9:12:40 AM PST by RoosterRedux

Mr. Trump’s sidestepping of reports that the C.I.A. believes that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the killing as “Maybe he did and maybe he didn’t!” was jarring. But every president since Harry Truman has aligned with unsavory Middle Eastern rulers in the service of national interests. The difference here is that Mr. Trump seemed unapologetic about this state of affairs with only a passing nod to the affront to our values that Mr. Khashoggi’s murder represents.

That’s nothing to cheer. But it is vitally important to evaluate the policy on its merits more than its mode of expression. And the truth is that on the big strategic questions, Mr. Trump is cleareyed and right.

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Mr. Trump’s critics counter with the claim that he is emboldening evil. Samantha Power, former ambassador to the United Nations, cited autocrats like Rodrigo Duterte of the Philippines, Abdel Fattah el-Sisi of Egypt and Vladimir Putin of Russia, in addition to Prince Mohammed, in saying that “Trump’s siding with the meanest and nastiest out there” will “leave the world even nastier.”

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Notably absent from Ms. Power’s list of evildoers, however, are Iran and its proxies. The omission is telling. As part of its pivot toward Iran and away from the Sunni states and Israel, the Obama administration turned a blind eye to the slaughter in Syria that Moscow, Tehran and its proxies unleashed, and, thanks to the nuclear deal, delivered countless billions to the Iranian war machine.

His critics would say that Mr. Trump is now similarly emboldening a reckless Saudi regime.

This is a false analogy. The Saudis are not the moral equivalents of Iranians and the Russians.

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1 posted on 11/22/2018 9:12:40 AM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

The Saudis are our allies against Iran, which is a real threat.

Trump is putting the lives of Americans ahead of that of a terrorist synpathizer.


2 posted on 11/22/2018 9:19:06 AM PST by Innovative
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Trump can be rude, crude, sometimes a little bit lewd, but for all that, he is pretty darned shrewd, and that makes up for just about all the other “shortcomings” that people claim to see in his governing style.

Rash and brash? He comes from QUEENS, you haughty people of Manhattan, and probably could not earn even a modicum of respect from you just for that “character defect”.


3 posted on 11/22/2018 9:19:18 AM PST by alloysteel (To try and fail, that is glorious. To never try at all, that is ignominy, far worse than failure.)
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To: RoosterRedux

President Trump looked at the big picture re the Saudi situation and made the right decision. I’m much less concerned with how he announced it.


4 posted on 11/22/2018 9:21:38 AM PST by luvbach1 (I hope Trump runs roughshod over the inevitable obstuctionists, Dems, progs, libs, or RINOs!)
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Trump is doing what reality requires....I can’t help but notice that the CIA “believes he did it” rather than asserting it.....


5 posted on 11/22/2018 9:24:35 AM PST by trebb (Those who don't donate anything tend to be empty gasbags...no-value-added types)
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To: RoosterRedux
Jamal Khashoggi was a Saudi citizen.

He was a Muslim killed by Muslims in a Muslim country.

6 posted on 11/22/2018 9:24:40 AM PST by yesthatjallen
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O, please, Fake News Times. It’s not as if he’s sending pallets of unmarked cash to Saudi Arabia.


7 posted on 11/22/2018 9:25:42 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: RoosterRedux

I wonder how ling these guys are going to have their jobs.


8 posted on 11/22/2018 9:26:44 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: RoosterRedux

NeoCons happy with Trump following their bad advice.


9 posted on 11/22/2018 9:28:48 AM PST by Trumpisourlastchance
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To: Innovative

There Saudis were, are & will be our enemy. They funded 9/11, have funded and are funding Wahhabi Jihadists engaged in genocide against minorities including Christians in Iraq & Syria, and are building mosques and spreading Sharia law to the United States.


10 posted on 11/22/2018 9:30:43 AM PST by Trumpisourlastchance
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NYT? Amazing.


11 posted on 11/22/2018 9:30:53 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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12 posted on 11/22/2018 9:32:23 AM PST by tomkat
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They can never give due credit to Trump without taking a swipe at him, too.


13 posted on 11/22/2018 9:36:18 AM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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Our Values Represent??? The man was involved with Terror, he was no saint.. his execution while gruesome is no different than Obama ordering drone strikes on US citizens fighting with jihadists.


14 posted on 11/22/2018 9:38:16 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: tomkat

Two American heroes: Uncle Sam and Uncle Don!


15 posted on 11/22/2018 9:38:43 AM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: RoosterRedux

Since when is telling the truth “crude”?


16 posted on 11/22/2018 9:40:41 AM PST by WASCWatch
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Obama's ex-UN Amb Samantha Power: “Trump’s siding with the meanest and nastiest out there” will “leave the world even nastier”.......
NYT COMMENTS: Notably absent from Ms. Power’s list of evildoers, however, are Iran and its proxies. The omission is telling. As part of its pivot toward Iran and away from the Sunni states and Israel, the Obama administration turned a blind eye to the slaughter in Syria that Moscow, Tehran and its proxies unleashed, and, thanks to the nuclear deal, delivered countless billions to the Iranian war machine.

Well-said, NYT. Now you're cooking with gas.

17 posted on 11/22/2018 9:40:54 AM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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When Obama BOWED and kissed the ring of the Saudi King NO ONE SAID A WORD..when 14 out of the 17 9/11 hijackers murdered 3000+ Americans on 9/11 were Saudi Nationals, no one said a word..but NOW all of a sudden HUGE outrage..if Trump had cut off ties with Saudi Arabia they would be bashing him for that too


18 posted on 11/22/2018 9:45:04 AM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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OK, China kidnaps the head of Interpol and nobody bats an eye, but some jihadi goathumper goes away everybody loses their mind...
19 posted on 11/22/2018 9:46:53 AM PST by Chode ( WeÂ’re America, Bitch!)
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There Saudis were, are & will be our enemy. They funded 9/11, have funded and are funding Wahhabi Jihadists

The guy running the show now, Mohammed Bin Salman, was 16 years old on 9/11 and is trying to rein in Wahhabism while reforming other rigid, religiously-mandated rules that has left Saudi Arabia mired in the dark ages. He is not our enemy. With President Trump's support, MBS will bring Saudi Arabia into the modern civilized world and I don't care one whit if he murdered a meddlesome, terrorist-supporting, Muslim Brotherhood Islamist journalist.

20 posted on 11/22/2018 9:47:34 AM PST by Drew68 (Twitter @TheRealDrew68 // Click my profile page for great Russian pop music videos.)
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