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Posted on 11/26/2018 1:43:57 PM PST by detective
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Thanks for the Manson data. I actually didn’t know much about his connection to Scientology.
Rinse, stir, repeat.
“Id also bet that no more than 5 Freepers total have ever read ANYTHING L. Ron wrote and thus have not arrived at their opinions by any means other than group think.”
Why would any normal, intelligent person waste their time reading anything written by L. Ron Hubbard?
Scientology is a weird, exploitive cult. There have been many books and articles written about Scientology. Many former members have told their stories.
I believe it. The church was once very aggressive about hiding their secrets and protecting their manicured public image.
It's funny how that aggression finally backfired on them, as they lost the battle to hide their dirty deeds.
They were once famous for litigating their critics into the ground. Now they just post asinine smear pages on their biggest critics.
As I can remember his SciFi wasn’t that bad. Of course I think I was in Jr High when I read it. I tried to read Dianetics way back around then too, not because I was looking for any self-help. (You can’t improve on perfection! :) ) Just curious because there was a buzz about it. I found it to be full of idiotic gobbly-gook and not worth my time. I don’t think I even got 1/4 through it. I remember being shocked when I heard that people took it seriously and a religion grew around it.
Wasn’t Hubbard reported to have said at a SciFi convention that he was going to start a religion because thats where the real money is made?
The connection is that Manson took a couple classes, left and used some of what he learned to attract people to his family.
As far as I know he's never been declared clear.
Nor has he been embraced by the church, but detractors have been quite eager to link him to them.
That being said, the membership numbers they report include anyone who has bought a book or taken an introductory class, whether they pursued it any further or not.
“Wasnt Hubbard reported to have said at a SciFi convention that he was going to start a religion because thats where the real money is made?”
Quotes by L. Ron Hubbard:
“You don’t get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion.”
“The only way you can control people is to lie to them. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them.”
“If you want to make a little money, write a book. If you want to make a lot of money, create a religion.”
Manson even had an e-meter at the Ranch.
So they can come to their own conclusions about the subject, based upon their own observations?
Scientology is a weird, exploitive cult.
It's true. The 'church' is a weird, exploitative cult. The subject itself is another matter. There are some genuinely beneficial aspects to it.
Nothing incompatible with 2 very anti-Christian cults joining forces.
some references claiming Manson was “clear”
Two sinister Scientology graduates of the 60s were Robert DeGrimston and his wife Mary Ann. He was a former architecture student and she was a former prostitute who believed herself to be Joseph Goebbels incarnate. Both had an insatiable preoccupation with death and violence and it is perhaps inevitable that they ended up in San Francisco in 1967 where they established themselves as The Process Church of the Final Judgement. They took up residence on Oak St., in the so-called Devil House, two blocks from where Charles Manson had his family and close by Anton Laveys Church of Satan. Processans wandered the Haight sporting black capes and black suits and preaching a gospel of doom and destruction. The first edition of Ed Sanders book The Family carries an interesting chapter on the Process Church. But a Chicago lawyer convinced them to sue for defamation and the offending chapter was deleted from subsequent editions. Robert Degrimston published several books on war (his favorite theme) and commanded his followers THOU SHALT KILL! Another Process publication urged readers to experience the pleasures of grave robbing and necrophilia. A rant in the Death issue of their magazine was penned by Charles Manson. Mansons rap was an amalgam of Process ideology and the 150 hours of Scientology auditing hed received during one of his numerous prison stints (Charlie declared himself a Theta Clear).
Contrary to popular belief, the Process is still around, having undergone numerous name changes over the years. The first was the Four-P Movement. Author Michael Newton wrote that the cult, is also deeply involved in white slavery, child pornography and the international narcotics trade. Still other name changes for the Process included The Foundation Church of the Millenium, The Foundation Faith of God and then Best Friends Animal Sanctuary. Today it is known as The Best Friends Animal Society and is located in Kanab, Utah. Mary Ann Degrimston makes her home there along with several other former members. Gone are the days when Process members journeyed to San Quentin to interview Manson. Gone too are all references to Satan and doomsday. Members now softpeddle their involvement in the Process Church of the Final Judgement citing juvenile misguidance. The goal of the reformed church now is to save animals. The large compound in southern Utah is their testament to this end. And the animal sanctuary is a huge cash cow. In 2003 the Society raised more than $20 million. Perhaps the Degrimstons were wise to abandon Scientology when they did. Robert currently works in New York City as a business consultant.
Maryann has passed away since this was written.....
By Paul Krassner / AlterNet November 26, 2017 (Yippie publisher of The Realist)
...When Charles Manson was a prison inmate, he got introduced to Scientology by fellow prisoners, and his ability to psych out people was intensified so that he could zero in on their weaknesses and fears. In 1967, he was released and went to the Scientology Center in San Francisco. A friend who accompanied him there told me, Charlie said to them, ‘I’m Clear what do I do now?’
But they expected him to sweep the floor shit, he had done that in jail. However, in Los Angeles, he went to the Scientology Celebrity Center. Now this was more like it there he could mingle with the elite. I was able to obtain a copy of the original log entry: 7/31/68, new name, Charlie Manson, Devt. No address. In for processing = Ethics = Type III. The receptionist who, by Type III, meant psychotic sent him to the Ethics office but he never showed up.
At the Spahn Ranch, Manson combined his version of Scientology auditing with post-hypnotic techniques he had learned in prison, with geographical isolation and subliminal motivation, with sing-along sessions and encounter games, with LSD and mescaline, with transactional analysis and brainwashing rituals, with verbal probing and sexual longevity that he had practiced upon himself for all those years in the privacy of his cell. He was also raped by fellow inmates...
...A few months later, when the family members were captured and charged with homicides, Manson was portrayed by the media as a hippie cult leader, and the counterculture became a dangerous enemy. Hitchhikers were shunned. Communes were raided. In the public’s mind, flower children had grown poisonous thorns. But Manson was never really a hippie....
Bernadine Dohrn, Weather Underground terrorist and criminal: “Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!”
One famous, in fact infamous person interested in Scientology
that they do not boast about, talk about, or probably even want
is Charles Manson, the convicted murderer of Sharon Tate and
her friends. The New York Times stated that Manson first got
interested in Scientology while he was incarcerated in the McNeil
Island Penitentiary in Washington (Scientology’ has programs for
prisons). After his release, The Times reported, he went to
Los Angeles where he was said to have met local Scientologists
and attended several parties for movie stars, possibly the July
18 dedication of the celebrity center. Scientology literature
was also said to be found at the ranch when Manson and his family
were captured. But for reasons unknown, it is claimed that Manson
may have been made a “suppressive person” by the Scientologists,
and there have also been hints that he may have joined the Process,
the sex and satan group which originally broke away from Scientology.
So Charlys family was a spin off/
(Charlie declared himself a Theta Clear).
That’s nice. I’m declaring myself the Pope. It has the same validity.
Science Fiction writer Harlan Ellison was there when this happened: Youtube: Harlan Ellison & Robin Williams discuss LRH starting at the 5:40 mark.
Yes, in a sense.
It was my understanding that Manson claimed to be the leader or a high-ranking member of a scientology splinter group as well, The Process Church (”Ultimate Evil”, Terry Maury, and “Helter Skelter”, Vincent Bugliosi).
I remember asking a CoS auditor about The Process and he knew nothing about it but warned me against having anyone audit me but someone qualified to do it. That’s the one time I agreed with the CoS entirely. ;)
Paul Krassner has little credibility and he sees similarities between Manson and Trump.
It was the Internet that did it to them. In a centralized environment where they could threaten publishers and TV producers, they could be successful in keeping a lid on negative info about them.
Once the Internet had every pissed off victim able to publish his or her story, there were just too many targets to keep up with. Their heavy-handed attempts to censor information about them then managed to piss off a bunch of computer nerds with nothing better to do than bring down wrath upon Scientology's heads (see "weaponized autism").
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