Posted on 01/12/2019 11:02:45 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
The complete stalemate in the elected representatives in Parliament actually reflects pretty accurately the state of public opinion. There’s no majority in the country for any of the various forms of Brexit. There’s a majority against a hard Brexit, the negotiated deal, any other conceivable deal, a delayed Brexit and no Brexit. Wherever you look in the country, nothing wins. Whatever the eventual outcome, the majority of the country is going to be unhappy.
> “The deal is what she had to accept if there were to be any deal at all, after a negotiation in which the EU held all the cards.”
No. She was not required to accept any deal at all. The Brits prefer to walk away. Their London bankers and aristocracy want a deal to preserve their status quo.
The Brits are now saying NO DEAL, no deal at all. They will dump May.
Good.
> “Forgive me, but your reference to ‘their aristocracy’ shows that your knowledge of this country is rather limited.”
As I personally know several of their arrogant landed gentry types who are irrationally and morbidly anti-Trump, I most certainly know what I am talking about when I refer to those who fancy themselves as aristocrats. You should also be informed that here in the USA there is also a caste that think themselves of the American aristocracy, namely one I know personally who as a Harvard Law grad ran for Congress to cement his bona fides in the US aristocracy. Such people exist here and throughout Five Eyes.
The Brits voted for Brexit and they are now calling for no deal. That is a fact. You allude to a minority who will soon have their holes ripped anew.
Leaving ‘the aristocracy’ aside (and insofar as it still exists and however it’s defined, opinions on Brexit are as divided among it as in the rest of the population), it’s simply not true to assert, as you repeatedly do, that ‘the Brits’ in general are calling for no deal. Plenty of us are, certainly, perhaps all those to whom you’ve spoken - but in the country at large, as all the polls and every other source of information shows, there are at least as many wanting a deal, another referendum, or no Brexit at all. Public opinion on this has multiple fractures.
> “Leaving ‘the aristocracy’ aside (and insofar as it still exists and however it’s defined, opinions on Brexit are as divided among it as in the rest of the population), it’s simply not true to assert, as you repeatedly do, that ‘the Brits’ in general are calling for no deal. “
Spoken like a true minion of Remain choosing to ignore the British majority and dream up an alternate reality.
Run along now whilst waiting for that delicious 63-37 internet poll purveyed by that UK pillar of journalistic virtue known as ‘The Guardian’. Perhaps their pollsters will top those stateside that predicted Hillary would win at 98%?
And your evidence that ‘the British majority’ thinks as you say it thinks is what, exactly?
Crude generalisations from abroad about the wishes of an entire people, particularly when based on anecdotal evidence, are pretty well always wide of the mark. But in this case, goodness me even the most ardent ultra-Brexiteers acknowledge that the country is deeply divided on the issue. Hence the current stalemate in Parliament, where none of the possible options can command a majority. That stalemate mirrors the stalemate in public opinion. Every one of the theoretically conceivable outcomes, from a hard Brexit to no Brexit at all and all intermediate deals between those extremes, is likely to leave more people unhappy than happy.
And by the way - my friends would be surprised to hear me described as a ‘remainer’.
“There’s a majority against a hard Brexit, the negotiated deal, any other conceivable deal, a delayed Brexit and no Brexit.”
So...how did this get passed by the electorate? Seems strange that the parliament could mistake the will of the people.
She may not be the worst PM, ever, but she is the most incompetent.
The only thing ‘passed by the electorate’ was the decision that the UK should leave the EU - that was the only question on the ballot paper. The electorate wasn’t asked how or when that should happen, thus leaving the vote open to a myriad different interpretations, all consistent with the referendum result. The problem we now have is that no single one of these interpretations can command a majority, hence political stalemate.
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