Skip to comments.Christian group can bar gay student from leadership role, judge rules
Posted on 02/07/2019 1:15:17 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
IOWA CITY, Iowa - A federal judge has ruled that the University of Iowa was wrong to strip a Christian student group of its registered status after the organization barred a gay student from a leadership position.
U.S. District Judge Stephanie M. Rose on Wednesday granted a permanent injunction banning the university from rejecting the status of the group, Business Leaders in Christ, The Des Moines Register reported.
Rose found that the university had unevenly applied its human rights policy by allowing other groups to limit membership based on religious views, race, sex and other protected characteristics.
"Particularly when free speech is involved, the uneven application of any policy risks the most exacting standard of judicial scrutiny, which the defendants have failed to withstand," she said.
Business Leaders in Christ member Jake Estell said the group is happy with the outcome.
"This victory reinforces the commonsense idea that universities can't target religious groups for being religious," he said.
The university said it plans to adhere to the court's decision.
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Is there no such thing as a gay Christian?
Perhaps the worm is beginning to turn.
Sure, most Christians I know are very happy.
“Is there no such thing as a gay Christian?”
Nope. I Corinthians 6:9-11:
“Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”
So, why is this guy kicked out, then?
Is there no such thing as a gay Christian?
Is this a trick question?
When we claim to be followers of Christ, yet continue to commit unrepent sins, its a clue that we may not have fully given our lives to Christ.
People who deny sexual sins are sins, dont genuinely desire to be followers of Christ.
Those arent my words but are the words of Jesus Christ.
There are no *true* Christians who are *practicing* homosexuals.
He was kicked out because he’s a sodomite, pervert, homosexual, peter-puffer, poofter, pickle-smoocher, rump ranger, turd burglar, queer, faggot, man who lies with mankind as with womankind ...
But you already knew that.
I’m thinking there are a whole lot of church attending, believing gays who could be called Christian. If Christian is limited to non-sinners, that would be good to know, too.
Well, no, I didn’t read that. But thanks for filling me in.
Is it possible to commit terrible sin even though one is a believer in Christ?
I think it is, but I also think that the sin must be admitted to be sin as contrary to God’s will and an impediment until it is repented of. Real repentance includes regret, confession, turning away from the sin, restitution, and a period of suspension from any leadership role in the church.
If they won’t allow homosexuals as leaders then why are they allowing them as members?
It doesnt mean that such a leader (or would-be leader, as in this case) should be shunned or treated in other than a fully loving manner, of course. But sin is kind of a big deal to God, seeing how death came into the world because of it, and how God himself had to die in our place in order to conquer it. The obvious response, of course, is Well, everyone is a sinner and there are no perfect people, so why single out this guy just because hes gay?
The answer is that yes, every person is sinful in some (many) way(s), but the difference is that someone who is making homosexuality their identity is openly promoting sin, and no Christian organization should permit that. It would be no different than if a heterosexual leader made it clear that he was an adulterer, that it was his identity, and that he would continue committing adultery (and I can think of many other examples).
True Christians must acknowledge their sin, repent of it, and seek Gods forgiveness. Anyone who doesnt do those three things, much less someone who flaunts sin as their identity is not a Christian, simple as that.
That is the opposite of "being gay" which is, by definition, a complete identification with the sin and a refusal to recognize it as sinful.
That makes sense, thanks. There is an adjacent article on the forum entitled The Fourteen Catholic Senators Who Enabled Late Term Abortion. What do you want to bet they think they are Christians, too? I guess my thought is that to tell someone that are not Christian if they claim to be might be a judgment a little out of our jurisdiction.
In general, freedom of association includes the right to be free from compelled association. In Wooley v. Maynard, 430 U.S. 705, 97 S. Ct. 1428, 51 L. Ed. 2d 752 (1977), and Abood v. Detroit Board of Education, 431 U.S. 209, 97 S. Ct. 1782, 52 L. Ed. 2d 261 (1977), the Court held that freedom of association is unconstitutionally burdened where the state requires an individual to support or espouse ideals or beliefs with which he or she disagrees. Similarly, in Keller v. State Bar, 496 U.S. 1, 110 S. Ct. 2228, 110 L. Ed. 2d 1 (1990), the Court held that mandatory state bar membership dues could not be used to further ideological causes with which some members might disagree, unless the state could show that the expenditures were incurred for the purpose of regulating the legal profession or improving the quality of legal service.
“It is a clear application of Freedom of Association.”
The problem is the Supreme Court decided to do away with that right in Christian Legal Society v. Martinez. Sounds like the only reason the university got tagged here is it discriminated in unevenly applying the requirements to some organizations but not others.
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