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Amazon had NYC in the bag. Then left-wing activists got fired up.[ WaPo & owner: NYC too liberal]
washingtonpost.com ^ | 2-15-19

Posted on 02/15/2019 1:46:56 PM PST by NoLibZone

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To: mewzilla

You are a “Glass is Half Full” kinda guy I bet......


21 posted on 02/15/2019 2:25:05 PM PST by NYAmerican
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To: grania
It was a bad idea. It’s on Long Island,

It was NOT on Long Island, my dear. It was in Queens. Long Island City is in Queens, which is part of NYC. But yes, it's very congested over there, impossible to find parking, people living right on top of one another.

22 posted on 02/15/2019 2:25:05 PM PST by EinNYC
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To: Sacajaweau
Good point. I'm certain there were quite a few other issues lurking beneath the surface that were the real drivers of Amazon's decision.

One thing that is not well known is that the area of NYC where Amazon was going to locate (Long Island City) has been the subject of several major rezoning efforts by the New York City government over the last 2-3 decades.

(FULL DISCLOSURE: I have a professional familiarity with this from earlier in my career.)

The biggest factor in the local opposition to the Amazon project was the radical transformation that the area has seen since the early 2000s. Long Island City has historically been a light industrial hub in the city, and the NYC council took great care to protect the industrial character of the area as it went through several rounds of rezoning.

When the original rezoning was approved in 2001, they envisioned a core area of 5 million square feet of office space and 300 residential units in condo/apartment buildings. The rest of the area was to remain zoned for the light industrial businesses that have been there for decades.

With two major housing bubbles after 2001 and a major effort by the DeBlasio administration to develop affordable housing in NYC, the actual development that has occurred in Long Island City has been very different. Only about 30% of the projected office space was built, and instead of the original 300 housing units there have been more than 10,000 built in residential towers.

The Long Island City area can't handle 25,000 workers in new office buildings under the original zoning plan. If Amazon moved there, the neighborhood would be getting more than 5 million square feet of NEW office space ... on top of the 1.5 million already there ... on top of the 10,000+ residential units that were never envisioned when the area was rezoned. So everyone in the neighborhood around the original rezoning area knows that the small industrial and commercial buildings occupied by local businesses were going to be sold and demolished to make way for the new Amazon campus.

23 posted on 02/15/2019 2:25:34 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: NYAmerican

Not a guy, anyway. :-)


24 posted on 02/15/2019 2:27:09 PM PST by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: EinNYC; grania
You're both right.

Long Island City is in the NYC borough of Queens. "Long Island" is usually understood to mean Nassau and Suffolk Counties -- the two counties east of Queens that are not part of New York City.

However, it should be noted that the New York City boroughs of Brooklyn and Queens are located geographically on the large island known as Long Island.

25 posted on 02/15/2019 2:28:03 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: Alberta's Child

FWIW, I think it’s more about a certain $2.3 billion shortfall...


26 posted on 02/15/2019 2:28:40 PM PST by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: mewzilla
A $2.3 billion "shortfall?"

There may have been $2.3 billion in tax breaks extended to Amazon, but I don't know that this would be considered a "shortfall" when all the numbers are added up.

27 posted on 02/15/2019 2:30:19 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: Alberta's Child

Surely Amazon had to know that too.

Do you think there may have been some sleight of hand on the part of Amazon for some uknown to us reason and they didn’t really intend to put a center there at all?


28 posted on 02/15/2019 2:31:34 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: mewzilla

And I’ve wondered from the beginning whether the HQ2 thing wasn’t really a ruse to try to screw more tax money out of Seattle and/or Washington state. If, in the next few weeks, months we hear that Amazon is getting some additional tax relief from either, both, guess we’ll know.


29 posted on 02/15/2019 2:32:33 PM PST by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“Welcome to the world you helped create”
Kind of like Californians and Oregonians voting for more taxes and then leaving the state because of the high taxes.


30 posted on 02/15/2019 2:32:53 PM PST by Cold Heart (The main purpose of The Wall is to protect the US from its own politicians.)
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To: Alberta's Child
From a few days ago....

Cuomo: State facing $2.3 billion shortfall

We can't afford Amazon.

31 posted on 02/15/2019 2:34:31 PM PST by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: Rennes Templar
Some would consider 25,000 jobs a win.

Normally, yes. However, that girl ain't right.
32 posted on 02/15/2019 2:35:46 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Black Agnes
Do you think there may have been some sleight of hand on the part of Amazon for some unknown to us reason and they didn’t really intend to put a center there at all?

Maybe. But I would put this out there for your consideration:

1. What exactly would they gain by doing this?

2. The scenario you presented is certainly a possibility when you remember that Amazon was supposed to be looking for a second headquarters location -- not two of them. Maybe the selected two -- just to see which one would generate more public support locally?

3. The "sleight of hand" I'm almost certain Amazon has done here is the whole tax break negotiation process. They had all these cities falling all over themselves offering tax breaks to Amazon ... but I'm willing to bet Amazon would have made their ultimate decision about the second HQ even if they didn't get a single penny in tax breaks.

33 posted on 02/15/2019 2:36:05 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: Alberta's Child

This may have been all about screwing Seattle’s and/or WA’s taxpayers outta more tax money.


34 posted on 02/15/2019 2:37:09 PM PST by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: mewzilla
Oh, I see.

The $2.3 billion shortfall is from declining income tax revenue. I would think adding 25,000 new high-paying jobs to New York would help RAISE additional income tax revenue.

35 posted on 02/15/2019 2:37:30 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: mewzilla

Very good point.


36 posted on 02/15/2019 2:37:53 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey.")
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To: Alberta's Child

And pols everywhere are happy to go along with the charade for one reason: It’s not their money.


37 posted on 02/15/2019 2:40:16 PM PST by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: Alberta's Child
From 2017.

Empire Zones, NY's failed aid to companies, still costing taxpayers: $3 billion plus

Aid. Snort.

Leaving aside the moral hazard involved, bribery doesn't work for long.

38 posted on 02/15/2019 2:43:11 PM PST by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Thank you for a thoughtful reply.

I agree with your points.

Do you think this has anything to do with the impending divorce proceedings?

Maybe they didn’t want to tie up capital?

Just curious. The timing of this wrt the divorce announcement seems to have a bit of synchronicity.


39 posted on 02/15/2019 2:44:53 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: mewzilla

Best part: If the whole thing really was a ruse, then the only thing that dingbat, AOC, can really take credit for is providing Amazon the perfect cover so nobody suspects.


40 posted on 02/15/2019 2:49:21 PM PST by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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