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WFB ^ | 22 Feb 2019 | Matthew Continetti

Posted on 02/23/2019 6:05:26 AM PST by Rummyfan

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To: Forty-Niner
The added adjective “Natural” to “born citizen” is the key to understanding this. If they were the same “NATURAL” would not be needed. The 14th A did not modify Article II or it’s eligibility requirements. It’s sole purpose was to insure that recently freed former slaves were recognized as citizens without the need for “naturalization.”

"Natural born" means citizen without the need for naturalization (i.e. born). "born citizen'" is the same thing as natural born citizen.

61 posted on 02/23/2019 8:25:27 AM PST by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: Rummyfan

Her Dad is disgusted by her for very good reason. What she said was vile.


62 posted on 02/23/2019 8:27:31 AM PST by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: PhiloBedo
Natural Born is both parents being US citizens.

There's no legal basis for that definition anywhere.

63 posted on 02/23/2019 8:27:50 AM PST by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: morphing libertarian
By the way, Ted Cruz (who I admire very much) made a very public demonstration of the fact that he was going to FORMALLY renounce his CANADIAN citizenship. What NATURALLY BORN US citizen has to do such a thing?

Ted Cruz was born in Canada.

64 posted on 02/23/2019 8:30:03 AM PST by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: Grampa Dave

“One of these days, no one will be sworn in. If they win the election by hook or crook, they will just assume the position on a certain date.”

Unfortunately, I second your prediction.

Obama started it with both of his so-called “botched” swearing-in ceremonies, which Roberts assisted by recreating off-camera afterwards.


65 posted on 02/23/2019 8:35:43 AM PST by Chad N. Freud (FR is the modern equivalent of the Committees of Correspondence. Let other analogies arise.)
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To: Rummyfan

From the bird droppings I’m seeing, Kamala is the designated Dem loser for 2020, backed by insiders.


66 posted on 02/23/2019 8:39:48 AM PST by DaxtonBrown
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To: palmer

Jindal is also not natural born. I believe his parents were not US citizens when he was born


67 posted on 02/23/2019 8:41:24 AM PST by morphing libertarian (Use Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: DaxtonBrown
Harris is from California, so she's got access to a lot of LA and SF money.

California is also having an early primary next time, which could give her a jump on the competition.

But because there will be 20 or 30 candidates this time, it might not be wise for big names in the party to commit themselves to any one candidate too early.

68 posted on 02/23/2019 8:48:26 AM PST by x
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To: All

The Constitution names three categories of citizens:

Citizens,

Naturalized citizens,

Natural born citizens.

Why did they not use one term, nor use the terms interchangeably?

Because they nnoted the differences between them.

Why?

Answer that question, and you answer all questions that swirl about this debate.


69 posted on 02/23/2019 8:51:57 AM PST by Chad N. Freud (FR is the modern equivalent of the Committees of Correspondence. Let other analogies arise.)
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To: palmer; Republican Wildcat

Read post #28. Republican Wildcat gives a thorough explanation of the law.


70 posted on 02/23/2019 9:31:43 AM PST by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches, and get with what's real.)
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To: Chad N. Freud
Thank you; Agreed.

Note that when 12 she moved to Canada with her mother. Did they by any chance become Canadian Citizens? Not certain how to research this, But we need screen shots before the disappear!

She did attend High School in Canada. So did they teach her Canadian or U.S. History? (Uh...Canadian) As far as I am concerned this is enough to disqualify her. (and BaOb. and J F#ng Kerry) Has She released her records from Howard University is she listed as a Foreign Transfer?

Note her Grandfather was an Indian Diplomat. I do not think her mother came under that Diplomatic status; Her mother came to the US to attend School in what 1961? K H was born in 1964. What type of Visa did her mother have when she came? When Did she apply for Citizenship? Did she obtain it before going to Canada? lots of questions to research!

(All this stuff sounds too much like our recent 3rd world President BO.)

(Have to go do things!)

71 posted on 02/23/2019 10:08:03 AM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: x
Actually white people who hate white people are our biggest problem. Without them we wouldn't be where we are and, even if we were, fixing it would be much easier.

Side note: see also Van Jones.

72 posted on 02/23/2019 10:20:19 AM PST by riri
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To: DownInFlames
If she is born in US, she’s naturalized. Under the 14th Amendment, she qualifies.

Um, no? If she's naturalized, then the wasn't even born a citizen - she had to become one.
73 posted on 02/23/2019 11:22:47 AM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: Republican Wildcat

In U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), the Opinion of the Court was written by Justice Horace Gray. The Court did not explicitly rule that Mr. Wong was a natural born citizen; it merely ruled that he was a citizen.


74 posted on 02/23/2019 11:23:46 AM PST by South Dakota
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To: Republican Wildcat

In Perkins v. Elg (1939), the Supreme Court referred to Marie Elizabeth Elg as a natural born citizen. She was born in the United States; her father was a U.S. citizen by naturalization, and her mother was a U.S. citizen by marriage.

Supreme Court precedent: The courts have applied the partus sequitur patrem principle (citizenship by descent from one’s father) to determine who is, or who is not, a federal (U.S.) citizen at birth; but the meaning of natural born citizen appears to be a separate issue [21]. To this day, the Supreme Court, in its majority opinions, has consistently used the term “natural born citizen” only in reference to persons born on U.S. soil, to parents who are both U.S. citizens.


75 posted on 02/23/2019 11:34:04 AM PST by South Dakota
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To: hanamizu

Supreme Court precedent: The courts have applied the partus sequitur patrem principle (citizenship by descent from one’s father) to determine who is, or who is not, a federal (U.S.) citizen at birth; but the meaning of natural born citizen appears to be a separate issue [21]. To this day, the Supreme Court, in its majority opinions, has consistently used the term “natural born citizen” only in reference to persons born on U.S. soil, to parents who are both U.S. citizens.


76 posted on 02/23/2019 11:35:50 AM PST by South Dakota
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To: DownInFlames

During the 1866 Congressional debates regarding the 14th Amendment, the framers and sponsors of the 14th Amendment explained that the word “jurisdiction”, as used in the 14th Amendment citizenship clause, means “full and complete jurisdiction” and “not subject to any foreign power” (Madison (2007)). If a child is born in the United States, of a parent who is a citizen of a foreign country, the child is subject to the jurisdiction of that foreign country, and is therefore not subject to U.S. “jurisdiction” in the 14th Amendment sense (see


77 posted on 02/23/2019 11:39:06 AM PST by South Dakota
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To: frog in a pot

Concerning kamala, it applies perfectly.

Kamala is not a nbc


78 posted on 02/23/2019 11:43:31 AM PST by South Dakota
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To: DownInFlames

No, she does not.

https://steveking.house.gov/media-center/columns/ending-birthright-citizenship-does-not-require-a-constitutional-amendment

The 14th is misinterpreted to meet
their definition.


79 posted on 02/23/2019 12:22:57 PM PST by Lean-Right (Eat More Moose)
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To: PhiloBedo

Thanks I read post 28 and looked up Minor v. Happersett. It certainly does not define “natural-born” as “born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction of the United States”. There is no support for that notion that I am aware of (other than it being repeated ad nauseam). That case supports the idea that there are two types of citizens: those born in the US and those naturalized. Natural born refers to the former, not a third type.


80 posted on 02/23/2019 1:16:26 PM PST by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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