Skip to comments.Brexhaustion: Long, grinding Brexit is stressing people out
Posted on 04/13/2019 5:26:05 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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The overarching principle was “let’s vote in 2016 on an advisory referendum to see what the British people think”
and this was both a time-based and an advisory referendum.
any new referendum to clarify what people thought 3 years ago must by very principle have the option “perhaps you changed your mind”
So Q1 should be “do you want to remain in the EU+customs union yes or no” and then ONLY for LEAVE should it be filtered.
It’s also in LEAVE’s best interests to filter out those who want to REMAIN. If remain loses 49.9% to 50.1%, then they do not get a chance to decide on what type of Brexit.
Because if you ask to remove the multiple choice question then you will DEFINITELY not get a hard brexit. you will get the most votes for May’s plan.
But it wasn’t “do you want A or B”
The referendum was “Out of the 100 of you, do you want to go to another restaurant or stay in this restaurant?”
And 52 voted “let’s leave”
But then the follow-up question was “So leave and do what?”
The 52 who voted leave had a number of ideas (as it was so vague) - but now, after twaddling their thumbs for 3 hours, they want to vote again — and logically it needs to be clear, even for the 52.
It should be “you want to leave this restaurant and go to another? Yes or no” — and let’s assume 52 again vote “leave”. The next question is “which other?”
Or, let’s take it your way and remove the “you want to leave this restaurant and go to another” and make it
“Ok, three hours ago, 52 of you voted to leave this restaurant, we’re going to leave but you need to decide what you want to do:
Option 1: go to the outcourt and get the food from this restaurant, pay the same price but you get a set menu with no decisions
Option 2: The Northern Irish 5 folks stay here and chose what they like. The rest of us leave and decide outside
Option 3: we all leave, including the northern Irish and we decide outside.”
And Option 3 is your no-deal. Most of the 48 folks who voted to stay will choose option 1. Some of the 52 may choose option 1. Either way, option 1 - May’s Deal will win if you don’t have the two layer question I outlined.
do you really want that?
And “Brexit is decided” is not true — haven’t you followed the entire soap opera over the past 3 months in the UK?
What is only voted was “we’ll have a Brexit. What type? err.. let’s fight over what type”
The 52/100 who voted to leave the restaurant had different views on what to do next - so Brexit is most certainly not decided. That’s why the UK is tying itself in knots
To have a legitimate second referendum you need to implement the first one first.
Not really. Both referenda were/are advisory in nature only.
Yes really. All political parties in Britain swore they would abide by the peoples decision whatever it was.
It is a moot question as they agreed to implement Brexit in the 2016 parliamentary vote after the referendum.
However, the legitimacy of a second advisory referendum is not complicit on the implementation of the first advisory referendum.
People voted for "leave" - now they need to vote for "how to leave and what" as their elected representatives can't make up their minds
Just when some thought a conclusion could be drawn, Britains departure was delayed by six months at an emergency EU summit this week. Whether in favor of exit or hoping to stay, the long argument just got longer, and, for many more stressful.
That is the whole idea of the delay.
All the political parties in the UK swore to abide by it.
Why do you specifically seek me out multiple times per day every day to go back and forth about the same things multiple times? This gets awfully boring. Obviously neither of us is going to change our minds in the slightest on this.
Because you give well thought out, coherent arguments. And you have given me pause to rethink and correct once.
That is rare in freeperville.
I learn more by debating with people who can debate coherently.
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