Posted on 04/18/2019 8:12:09 PM PDT by Trump20162020
Looks like he had a tentative grasp on it so as not to appear to be controlling it.
You saw what you wanted to see.
> Wasn’t it the dust cover? <
I called it a case, but I believe it was actually a dust cover. And yes the cop in the Shaver case was acquitted. For one thing, the judge did not allow the rifle cover to come into evidence. “Too prejudicial”.
And for another thing, if you’re a cop and say you feel threatened, I guess you are allowed to shoot all you want. Shoot a dog. Shoot a crying man laying prone on the floor. Shoot a man holding a cell phone. Whatever.
(And yes, I know that cops have a very difficult job. But they are shooting people that in no way deserve to be shot. It just ain’t right.)
Trigger happy cops are the reason why there is such distrust between police and people.
They need to be trained better, period.
And no, cops need to be held accountable. We pay taxes for them, they need to do their jobs right. Period.
If the evidence and trial point to the cop doing a bad job, he needs to pay.
what was the guy holding and what were his hands doing?....they gave him ample warning.....
[The cop who shot Daniel Shaver is a sick, sick SOB. He shot Shaver with a rifle. And on the side of his rifle case the cop had written “You’re f*cked.” Not exactly the same as “To Protect and Serve.”
That’s something about the Shaver case that I never forgot. Plus the fact that Shaver was crying and pleading for his life the whole time.]
[Henry Hill: For a second, I thought I was dead, but when I heard all the noise I knew they were cops. Only cops talk that way. If they had been wiseguys, I wouldn’t have heard a thing. I would’ve been dead.]
I have a different take than several others in this thread. The guy got himself killed with his own stupidity. First, he brandished - thus the calls to the cops. Second, he did not immediately comply with police orders.
Hell, once you know the cops are on the way, the thing to do is to immediately disarm so there can be no misunderstandings.
I can’t see any jury saying the police in this case did not have a reasonable fear given his hand was on his gun, he had not been fully cooperative and they were called on this guy because he was brandishing a gun at people and acting in a very strange manner.
Were I on the jury, I’d vote for conviction. Unusual that a video which pretty much doesn’t help officers is released.
I have a different take on it.
When the perp walked into a place of business and pointed a weapon at an employee he set himself up for whatever happened after that. Plain and simple -- the way to prevent this was to not do stupid things with a gun.
Now it might have been possible to get out of this without shooting him, but when I look at that video, I see him transferring the gun from his right to his left hand, a move which is interrupted by him being shot.
Complying with the orders would have involved dropping the gun on his right side, the same side it came out of the pocket on.
It might not be the cleanest of "good shoots", but it is not a "bad shoot".
The burden is on the perp to comply immediately.
It is not a bad shoot. the perp is crouched down at an open car door with a female sitting in the rider’s seat. He has been brandishing a gun and threatening people. Both police persons tell him repeatedly to drop the gun. He finally pulls the weapon from a pocket and looks to be transferring the weapon from right hand to left when he is shot twice. He got what he was there for, death by cop, probably to ‘punish’ the female in the car!
No he wasn’t, it was slow and going straight down. She blew it, he was doing exactly what she was screaming at him to do.
You have a screw loose to think that shooting of Shaver was ok. He was crying and bending over backwards to obey conflicting commands in the psychotic game of Simon Says the cops were inflicting on him.
He was laying completely prone in his underwear and they told him to belly crawl forward. As his boxers worked down he reached to pull them up and the cop who had a massively superior position of advantage over him slaughtered him with numerous AR-15 rounds.
Then he was left to die without the slightest effort to begin first aid. To approve of that shooting is pure bootlick.
[To approve of that shooting is pure bootlick.]
When a suspect makes a sudden motion towards his waistband, which may nor may not conceal a firearm, the cop only has a split second to decide whether to shoot. The jury obviously agreed with the defense that it was unreasonable to require the police to read the suspect’s mind. It’s tragic that the suspect was shot, but it wasn’t murder or even its close relative, negligent homicide.
The suspect was parked in the wrong parking spot, had a weapon which was not visible. The aggressive quota hire demanded he put the gun down, which required the suspect to remove the weapon in order to place the weapon on the ground. The suspect removed the weapon, kept the muzzle in control/not facing anyone else and towards the ground, even after he was fatally shot by the quota hire.
Unfortunately, the quota hire will live on to tell the tale of how she faced the danger of an armed man, parked in the wrong parking spot, that had a gun, and leave out the part where it was due to her commands and fight/flight panic, that resulted in her deciding to shoot.
Bad shoot, won’t result in anything but maybe a lawsuit.
If the officer orders him to drop a weapon that is in his pocket the officer has told the man he will kill him whatever he does or doesn’t do. If he reaches into his pocket to retrieve the gun in order to drop it as ordered he will be killed for reaching for his weapon. If he just holds his hands in the air he has disobeyed an order and the officer will kill him. This phenomenon is not so uncommon as it should be.
If the officer orders him to drop a weapon that is in his pocket the officer has in effect told the man he will kill him whatever he does or doesn’t do. If he reaches into his pocket to retrieve the gun in order to drop it as ordered he will be killed for reaching for his weapon. If he just holds his hands in the air the officer will kill him for disobeying an order. This phenomenon is not so uncommon as it should be and officers are not disciplined or retrained because of it. It is a perk of the job.
If he did not comply he would have died for that, too.
Stupid direction from the cop. This scene has been repeated numerous times over the years, and some victims were law abiding CCW holders. Reaching for your weapon while a cop is pointing their gun at you, even if you are following their direction, is a death sentence. NOT saying this perp was innocent, but he didn’t need to be shot (yet).
The guy didn’t have possession when the video first started.
Did you notice how just seconds before she ended his life, he actually had possession of the firearm? They were telling hi to drop something he wasn’t holding, setting him up for death. All they did was give the killer enough verbal cover to get away with the deed.
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