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Nanny state or progressive politics? In ‘Ban Francisco,’ the debate rages on
sfgate ^ | 5/19/19 | Catherine Ho

Posted on 05/21/2019 1:48:23 AM PDT by Libloather

To San Franciscan Chris Chin, the owner of a vape shop in the city’s Tenderloin neighborhood, the proposed e-cigarette ban being considered by city officials would be tantamount to becoming the ultimate “nanny city.”

“I’ve renamed it ‘Ban Francisco’ because you can’t do anything in the city,” said Chin, whose store, Gone With the Smoke, stands to go out of business if the city enacts the proposed ban. “You can’t get a plastic straw or bag, or flavored tobacco. What’s next?”

Chin’s sentiments capture an undercurrent of frustration that a city once famous for its free-spirited ethos has strayed so far from its roots that many of its policies, framed as progressive, are starting to feel downright oppressive.

“We’re adults. If we want to vape, we can do that,” said Chin, who is staunchly opposed to the proposed ban. “Freedoms are becoming less and less.”

(Excerpt) Read more at m.sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ban; california; nanny; progressive
Do illegals get briefed on all this or is it included in the welcome packet?
1 posted on 05/21/2019 1:48:23 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

I never understood why and how e-cigarettes got allowed in the first place. They, like cigarettes, need complete, total ban. Everywhere.


2 posted on 05/21/2019 2:04:32 AM PDT by Reno89519 (No Amnesty! No Catch-and-Release! Just Say No to All Illegal Aliens! Arrest & Deport!)
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To: Reno89519
E-cigs...vaping might be a problem if...


3 posted on 05/21/2019 2:35:48 AM PDT by Covenantor (Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. " Chesterton)
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To: Reno89519
They weren't banned because their sole application isn't tobacco and also happens to be the most effective method of getting people to stop smoking. Considering that governments now earn 80% of all profit from the sales of tobacco, I'm going to guess a cigarette ban is not in the cards.

Also, pesky though it be, since e-cigarettes have zero effect for anyone but the user (as demonstrated twice by in depth gotcha studies, one by the state of California), a ban can't leap the hurdle of overriding individual liberty. The case is far easier for sugary drinks if you're talking about risk to individuals, not to mention the addictive properties of sugar vs nicotine.

But that's alright, why care about liberty, limited government, etc when you can be a nanny?

4 posted on 05/21/2019 2:40:24 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Libloather

They give you the needles to shoot up with and throw in the street and you are free to exhibit all manner of bodily function. You also will not be arrested for minor crimes including shoplifting less than $750. But if we catch you vaping or using a straw you get the chair. Figure that one out.


5 posted on 05/21/2019 2:46:50 AM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: Libloather

vape tantamount, human excrement, plastic straws and needles no


6 posted on 05/21/2019 3:20:04 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (nicdip.com)
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To: VTenigma

You forgot marijuana. That’s ok. Inhaling harsh smoke and then holding it in. But tobacco. Off with your head! All I can say is don’t mess with my cigars. I don’t inhale. Seriously. Now that would kill me.


7 posted on 05/21/2019 4:00:40 AM PDT by HighSierra5
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To: Libloather

You would virtually eliminate STDs if people only had one sex partner. Let’s ban sex outside of marriage and make divorce illegal.


8 posted on 05/21/2019 4:29:52 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: Libloather

Create a black market. Show some American spirit.


9 posted on 05/21/2019 4:47:09 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Reno89519

Vaping pure water vapor is harmless and fun.

Do you have a humidifier in your home? Same thing.


10 posted on 05/21/2019 4:56:12 AM PDT by TheNext (Democrats Gun Control Kills)
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To: Reno89519

Why?


11 posted on 05/21/2019 4:57:02 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: Reno89519

but recreational use of pot has been “green” lit In Caliphony

https://www.centeronaddiction.org/e-cigarettes/recreational-vaping/beyond-nicotine-vaping-marijuana


12 posted on 05/21/2019 5:05:15 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Denounce DUAC - The Democrats Un-American Activists Committee)
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To: Libloather

>>Nanny state or progressive politics?

Is there a difference?


13 posted on 05/21/2019 5:05:46 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Denounce DUAC - The Democrats Un-American Activists Committee)
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To: fruser1

They won’t even ban “bathhouse sex” between random men.


14 posted on 05/21/2019 5:06:54 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Denounce DUAC - The Democrats Un-American Activists Committee)
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To: Libloather

“Starting” to become oppressive?????

In addition to all the stuff named, how are they with guns? How about even a toy in your kid’s frikkin’ happy meal at McDonalds? How about if you (dear sweet baby Jesus) use a pronoun to refer to someone that they don’t prefer?

Leftists are perpetually one ban away from utopia. They are far, FAR more oppressive than the most conservative of religious conservatives the Left always sneered at ever were.


15 posted on 05/21/2019 5:11:43 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Reno89519

Why?

You do realize nicotine is not carcinogenic right? It’s the smoke particles inhaled that contain the carcinogens. I’ve never vaped in my life btw. What is with the authoritarian impulse to take away others’ choices when they aren’t harming anyone else?

Leave that to the Leftists.


16 posted on 05/21/2019 5:15:30 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Libloather

““We’re adults. If we want to vape, we can do that,” said Chin, who is staunchly opposed to the proposed ban. “Freedoms are becoming less and less.””

He voted for it, he got it. By the way, “Gone with the Smoke” is a stupid name for a vape store.


17 posted on 05/21/2019 5:20:57 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Only a Replacement Wall? Ann Coulter is deeply saddened)
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To: kingu

“Considering that governments now earn 80% of all profit from the sales of tobacco, I’m going to guess a cigarette ban is not in the cards.”

If government were honest smoking would be mandatory.

L


18 posted on 05/21/2019 5:31:26 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Reno89519
Why? Do you believe the government is our parent?
19 posted on 05/21/2019 5:34:04 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: VTenigma

“Figure that one out.”

I am glad. I once saw someone use a straw!


20 posted on 05/22/2019 7:46:02 PM PDT by Dennis M.
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