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Recreational marijuana in Colorado: What the numbers say about health, safety and tax dollars
Chicago Tribune ^ | May 30, 2019 | Robert McCoppin

Posted on 06/11/2019 9:08:58 AM PDT by fwdude

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To: AppyPappy

Just dumped the water out. I’m sure he keeps a supply of bottled water in the car. Gotta change the water occasionally, or he can’t fully appreciate the nuanced flavors of the Purple Monkey Balls or Mango Skunk. And one must change the water between different strains. Cleanse the palate, as it were.


41 posted on 06/11/2019 10:32:29 AM PDT by gundog ( Hail to the Chief, bitches!)
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To: momincombatboots

[[pretty soon we will have so much, that even ss will be flush with cash.]]

SS will never be flush with cash unfortunately- the US will give any extra money to illegals- and to terrorist nations, but not to our elderly, disabled and veterans to pay back the massive funds the gov stole from workers by dipping into their ‘lock box’

We currently spend over $600 BILLION DOLLARS per year on illegals for direct and indirect charges they cause us- infact- that $600 billion figure was from nearly 20 years ago i believe- it’s likely over $1 Trillion dollars per year now- that go to paying for illegals to be here in our country- Some illegals, and anchor babies families get over $45,000 per year- while many seniors get as little as $800 per month to live on (if they didn’t work high paying jobs, they get minimum which is around $800 per month SS)

Sadly our country’s mantra has become “Illegals come first- citizens second”


42 posted on 06/11/2019 10:33:06 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: fwdude

Uptick in transient street people going to colorado to get high especially in Denver....I’ve seen that myself

Uptick in folks getting too high and running to the emergency room having a panic attack....yep I can see that too especially with newbies...I know folks who can only get so high...hit after hit of dab or live resin and they just grin right through it all where as most folks would be scared to death especially women

Women cannot handle weed like men at the hardcore level...never seen a woman could smoke like I used to and over half my friends smoke pot and some women can hang but only up to a point

The rest of the stats are not too firm and hard to attribute to pot

I’m not sure if tax revenue is what they expected or not

266 million a year ain’t chump change

Roughly one percent of the state budget


43 posted on 06/11/2019 10:34:43 AM PDT by wardaddy (I applaud Jim Robinson for his comments on the Southern Monuments decision ...thank you)
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To: fwdude

Only if people suffer the consequences, does real change occur. However, our history of dealing with such is this: govt and corporate cronies will just call it a disability and throw money at it. The education unions will be delighted to use it as a ruse to get more money laundered to the dems.


44 posted on 06/11/2019 10:34:50 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Do you know anyone who isn’t a socialist after 65? Freedom exchanged for cash and control.)
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To: monkeyshine

Yup. The more they have, the more they’ll waste. Toqueville was right.


45 posted on 06/11/2019 10:36:39 AM PDT by gundog ( Hail to the Chief, bitches!)
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To: fwdude

There shoving this pot sh*t down our throat in NJ. Lie after lie is the norm even propping up children saying medical marijuana would help the children. It’s disgusting with the misinformation. It’s no different with gambling and that lie.


46 posted on 06/11/2019 10:39:22 AM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: AppyPappy

https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Formula-420-Cleaner-Ceramic/dp/B079SB9PTW/ref=asc_df_B079SB9PTW/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=242032081623&hvpos=1o3&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11857041358104328607&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9005225&hvtargid=pla-465221353848&psc=1#

It’s a new day.


47 posted on 06/11/2019 10:41:02 AM PDT by gundog ( Hail to the Chief, bitches!)
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To: mewzilla

It doesn’t prove anything except that since legalization more folks have detectable THC than before in accidents

THC is detectable for eons way beyond when folks are high

It’s like if you took hair samples of all wrecks victims I bet 75% show alcohol use at some point but it’d be way past intoxication state

You can show the THC concentration used in Colorado even two weeks after smoking

Detectable THC is like relatives who won’t leave and it shows up weeks after the buzz is gone

Plus accident THC correlation doesn’t mention other factors like booze or pain meds etc


48 posted on 06/11/2019 10:41:56 AM PDT by wardaddy (I applaud Jim Robinson for his comments on the Southern Monuments decision ...thank you)
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To: Mariner

Freepers don’t read articles whether stoned or not


49 posted on 06/11/2019 10:42:40 AM PDT by wardaddy (I applaud Jim Robinson for his comments on the Southern Monuments decision ...thank you)
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To: NonValueAdded

Never directly thought of that, though I definitely envisioned lots of impaired drivers all over the place. Good point.


50 posted on 06/11/2019 10:43:49 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Apoplectic is where we want them)
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To: NonValueAdded
I met someone visiting from Colorado and I asked her what she saw as the biggest impact of legalization. Her answer? Auto insurance premiums up through the roof.

On the other hand, Mississippi's premiums went up even more, so other factors may be at play.

51 posted on 06/11/2019 10:45:13 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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To: momincombatboots

I know scores of children born to women who smoked some weed daily and also some who drank wine or beer daily in moderate amounts and even God forbid some who smoked cigarettes

Those kids are now teens to forties

They are fine.

Lawyers and doctors

Marihuana ain’t meth or boy


52 posted on 06/11/2019 10:45:23 AM PDT by wardaddy (I applaud Jim Robinson for his comments on the Southern Monuments decision ...thank you)
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To: Mariner
The percentage of fatal vehicle accidents in which a driver tested positive for Delta-9 THC at or above the legal limit of .5 ng/mL decreased from 52 in 2016 to 35 in 2017.”

A statistically significant (p=0.034) difference. More winning!

53 posted on 06/11/2019 10:49:05 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: fwdude; ClearCase_guy

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On an abstract political level, I think people ought to control their own destiny. Government prohibition of a weed has proven difficult.

The problem, as we’ve seen with a number of issues in the past few decades, is that “permission” soon morphs into “promotion.” Can professional organizations continue to ban pot use among member if the government tacitly endorses it through legalization? It is thus deemed a “right” that no professional organization can violate.
>

The issue you posit boils down to one thing: BIG govt.

BIG govt, w/o the ability to take a ‘hands-off’ approach, it *must* have one hand in the till (ala tax-man); all on the fallacy of ‘paying’ for their illegal, unconstitutional Socialist program(s) galore.


54 posted on 06/11/2019 10:49:28 AM PDT by i_robot73 (One could not count the number of *solutions*, if only govt followed\enforced the Constitution.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
None of these things ever turn out. Even Gambling, you find you don’t get anywhere near the $$$ expected.

Gambling made a ton of money for Vegas when it was the only place in the country where you could gamble. Money flowed in from every other state. Every time a state legalizes gambling, it reduces the number of people that go to Vegas. Once enough states legalize gambling, it becomes revenue neutral, because all gambling does is shift money from one person to another without producing anything.

Marijuana legalization is going to increase the number of people smoking marijuana, and it will reduce their ability to function. It will end up being a drain on the state, cause mental health costs will go up, and as Eric Cartman said, you'll end up with hippie drum circles showing up in your back yard.

55 posted on 06/11/2019 10:49:37 AM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: JoSixChip

That is always how they sell tax increases: It’s for the children.

And on every block, there are one or two families that are convinced that if the school had a pool, their kid would be a standout swimmer...


56 posted on 06/11/2019 10:49:42 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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To: wardaddy

“Freepers don’t read articles whether stoned or not”

Yeah, but not reading an article that you POSTED is a whole ‘nuther level of amusing. Especially when making definitive comments on the data you posted lol


57 posted on 06/11/2019 10:50:15 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: wardaddy

Actually, if they’re testing for actual THC, rather than metabolites, that should correspond to actual current THC levels. It’s (from my understanding) the metabolites that can show up long after (regular) use.

I’m not convinced that the .5 ng/ml figure represents actual impairment, either, especially for regular users.

I share your doubts about the relevance of this figure. And we know the police will distort statistics to support a viewpoint. Like including passengers or drivers who were 100% not at fault in drinking driving statistics.


58 posted on 06/11/2019 10:51:45 AM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like tractor.)
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To: NonValueAdded

” Her answer? Auto insurance premiums up through the roof.”

Actually that’s dues to some giant unusually destructive hailstorms that have hit the state for the last 4 or 5 years. If she isn’t an actuary, she has no clue.


59 posted on 06/11/2019 10:53:55 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: i_robot73

Yes. If we got rid of the Welfare State and forced people to be responsible for themselves, the number of people messing with drugs and risking personal disaster would greatly decrease. As long as Big Govt and the taxpayers are available to rescue people, some people will choose to maximize their fun — because, hey, what’s the worst that could happen??


60 posted on 06/11/2019 10:54:37 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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