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More evidence after 5 years of legal pot in a state. Not looking good for the pro-pot side.
1 posted on 06/11/2019 9:08:58 AM PDT by fwdude
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I met someone visiting from Colorado and I asked her what she saw as the biggest impact of legalization. Her answer? Auto insurance premiums up through the roof.


2 posted on 06/11/2019 9:10:59 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (#Dregs #DeplorableMe #BitterClinger #HillNO! #cishet #MyPresident #MAGA #Winning #covfefe #BuildIt)
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To: fwdude

None of these things ever turn out. Even Gambling, you find you don’t get anywhere near the $$$ expected.

People just don’t learn.

Legalize it, fine, but don’t sell it as a boon to the economy.


3 posted on 06/11/2019 9:11:47 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (All I know is The I read in the papers.)
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To: fwdude

The first “Crime” statistic refutes the argument of the pro-pot libs, that legal sales will thwart the illegal markets.


4 posted on 06/11/2019 9:11:51 AM PDT by fwdude
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Within a federated union of the several states, I see no reason why some states shouldn’t explore such a path. Colorado made the leap in 2014.

Other states should be able to look at evidence from CO, MA, CA, etc. and decide if it’s a good path to go down.

If the evidence says “this is a bad path” and the voters and politicians in a state like Illinois still insist on saying “Let’s go!” then I don’t know what you can do.

On a personal level, I advise against the use. On an abstract political level, I think people ought to control their own destiny. Government prohibition of a weed has proven difficult.


6 posted on 06/11/2019 9:16:28 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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The stats involving MVAs are really scary.


10 posted on 06/11/2019 9:21:30 AM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: fwdude

I have never met stoner who said “Maybe I’m too stoned to drive”.


12 posted on 06/11/2019 9:23:38 AM PDT by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?)
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To: fwdude

I live in Colorado and challenge the assertion that teen pot use has not increased. It is my experience that it has increased but is no longer being actively being pursued as a criminal charge / activity.

Instead of the nosy neighbor calling the cops on the kids, they just assume it is ok / legal and dont call.


14 posted on 06/11/2019 9:24:30 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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The toxic levels of thc found in the umbilical cords of newborns has risen to numbers i cannot fathom. In addition, there is a rise of thc plus other drugs in these babies as well.
I have not seen these numbers in a 30 yr career, the last 8 to 10 of which has seen increased testing for this.
Btw.. out of the total births, only a few are submitted for tox testing.
What are the real nmbers? Why not show the data? This isn’t being discussed as an ethics issue. Must be the money.
Teachers should already start to see these brains bathed in drugs in the womb in their early ed classrooms.
But look at how much tax revenue we have created.. pretty soon we will have so much, that even ss will be flush with cash. We should rebrand this as kids for cash.


16 posted on 06/11/2019 9:24:51 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Do you know anyone who isn’t a socialist after 65? Freedom exchanged for cash and control.)
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To: fwdude

“Not looking good for the pro-pot side.”

Really?

Did you actually read the article?

Looks pretty innocuous, at worst.


19 posted on 06/11/2019 9:29:51 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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A good friend and her husband live in Colorado. They are in their 50’s

Met some of her young nieces recently - attractive, educated, intelligent women in their 20s.

They told me they and their friends are all single, and unless they specifically and purposely went to those few environments where men may be normal (church, professional workplaces) they said the chances of meeting a guy in Colorado who was not a stoner and a loser were ZERO.


28 posted on 06/11/2019 9:51:30 AM PDT by PGR88
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For your interest.


29 posted on 06/11/2019 9:54:06 AM PDT by KC_Lion
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I love these “stoner” vs “juicer” threads,just like high school.


34 posted on 06/11/2019 10:15:10 AM PDT by SanchoP (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun. -- R. Buckminster Fuller)
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39 posted on 06/11/2019 10:29:07 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (This space for rent...)
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Uptick in transient street people going to colorado to get high especially in Denver....I’ve seen that myself

Uptick in folks getting too high and running to the emergency room having a panic attack....yep I can see that too especially with newbies...I know folks who can only get so high...hit after hit of dab or live resin and they just grin right through it all where as most folks would be scared to death especially women

Women cannot handle weed like men at the hardcore level...never seen a woman could smoke like I used to and over half my friends smoke pot and some women can hang but only up to a point

The rest of the stats are not too firm and hard to attribute to pot

I’m not sure if tax revenue is what they expected or not

266 million a year ain’t chump change

Roughly one percent of the state budget


43 posted on 06/11/2019 10:34:43 AM PDT by wardaddy (I applaud Jim Robinson for his comments on the Southern Monuments decision ...thank you)
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There shoving this pot sh*t down our throat in NJ. Lie after lie is the norm even propping up children saying medical marijuana would help the children. It’s disgusting with the misinformation. It’s no different with gambling and that lie.


46 posted on 06/11/2019 10:39:22 AM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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Nothingburger:

“The Healthy Kids Colorado Survey of more than 50,000 middle and high school students found that the percentage of youths using marijuana in the past 30 days remained unchanged between 2014 and 2017, at 19 percent.”

“Researchers say it’s unclear to what extent marijuana caused the increase [in hospitalization rates with possible marijuana exposures, diagnoses or billing codes], or how much the rise was due to people coming in for other reasons who happened to have also consumed pot.”


68 posted on 06/11/2019 11:07:23 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: fwdude

> hospital visits and fatal accidents associated with marijuana use increased

That’s because of edibles.

-SB


73 posted on 06/11/2019 11:30:42 AM PDT by Snowybear
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To: fwdude
I live in Colorado (suburban Denver) and find a lot of the comments on this thread to be anecdotal at best. Auto insurance rates have NOT sky rocketed in this state. There are PLENTY of great guys who are not stoners here. It's well known that Denver is known as "Menver" bc so many guys have been attracted to the ski slopes/ hiking/ biking/ climbing and other outdoor activities for years. This was going on long before MJ was legal in the state. I also think statistics are skewed b/c there are certainly people who visit or have moved here b/c of legal weed.

I have had my medical license for many years- long before we had legal pot. I don't smoke weed but have found relief with CBD and THC oils, tinctures and salves. States that have medical weed available have lower rates of opioid use and seniors are a huge consumer of weed products.

Everyone just needs to keep their minds open on all this. As with any big change, there are bumps in the road. Overall, I think it has been a positive experience for Colorado and I support it.

75 posted on 06/11/2019 12:16:18 PM PDT by luv2ski
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-- three states with legalized marijuana -- were among the top four states with an increase of chronically homeless people between 2017 and 2018.

Noooo!! Say it isn't sooo!!! A state that legalizes an addictive drug becomes a haven for addicts??? How can that beeeee????!!

Seriously, the pimps who pander to these morons try to sell it as a virtue, and do it with a straight face.

81 posted on 06/11/2019 1:40:08 PM PDT by LouAvul
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Imho, if you keep the population fat, dumb and happy with “bread and circuses, they won’t know when their freedom is gone.

Then they become slaves to the state.

5.56mm


84 posted on 06/11/2019 1:48:04 PM PDT by M Kehoe (DRAIN THE SWAMP! BUILD THE WALL!)
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