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Here’s Why Democrats Want Illegal Immigrants Counted In The 2020 Census
Townhall.com ^ | July 8, 2019 | Rachel Alexander

Posted on 07/08/2019 8:49:03 AM PDT by Kaslin

The real reason why Democrats and their open-border allies on the left oppose a citizenship question in the census is that they have everything to lose if illegal immigrants refuse to participate.

Look at California. It is just one of several states that have more representatives in Congress and more votes in the Electoral College because of illegal immigrants — at the expense of other states.

This was a point Thomas Homan, the former Immigration and Customers Enforcement acting director, made last week on the Fox Business Channel.

“Of course, the Democrats don’t want [that] question added to the census ‘cause — because — more illegal aliens in this country and more they are counted the more electoral votes and the more power they get — more seats in the House,” he told TV host Lou Dobbs. “This is about power. This is about elections. This is about electoral votes.”

The number of illegal immigrants residing in California during the 2010 census was enough to increase its number of congressional seats and votes in the Electoral College by at least five. Who knows what that number will be just for California after the next census in 2020. (The first presidential election under the new political math would be 2024.)

It’s also no coincidence that Illinois and New York became destination states for illegal immigrants at the same time their population was dropping due to legal residents fleeing to states with lower taxes, better jobs and safer communities. As Homan said, these deeply blue states look at illegal immigrants and see a way to maintain their political power. Remember, the apportionment of seats in the House of Representatives and the number of Electoral College votes are derived from the number of heads counted by the census.

The only real solution is the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. The compact, which is completely different from what national Democrats talk about and does not abolish the Electoral College, would negate the impact of illegal immigrants in California and other sanctuary states. Enacted by 16 states and pending in others, it will take effect when states possessing a majority of the electoral votes necessity for electing a president — 270 out of 538 — have joined the compact.

Beyond the sanctuary states, all of which reliably vote Democrat in presidential elections, it is impossible to ignore that Republican-voting Texas, Florida and Georgia have the country’s second, third and sixth highest illegal immigrant populations, according to the Pew Research Center.

This means any amnesty or so-called “comprehensive” immigration reform that legalizes illegal immigrants could make it nearly impossible for the GOP to win the White House under the current system. Just look at how candidates for the Democratic presidential nomination pandered to illegal immigrants in the party’s first debates.

Under the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, the Electoral College is preserved but the voting method changes from the winter-take-all method of awarding electoral votes used by 48 states and the District of Columbia to a national popular vote. Simply stated, the candidate who receives the most votes nationwide would always become president. This fully constitutional reform would do away with the built-in advantage Democrats have because only citizens can vote.

Some claim a national popular vote wouldn’t matter because California and New York would simply out-vote the rest of the country. That simply isn’t true. More Americans live in red America than the country’s 100 biggest cities, which only account for about 15 percent of the vote. However, most of these Republican, conservative or conservative-inclined voters have no reason to cast a vote because the winner-take-all method used by most states doesn’t require the GOP to mobilize voters outside of the 12 battleground states. Even New York wouldn’t be as strongly Democratic as it is now since something like 1 million conservatives stay home and sit on the sidelines of presidential elections as their votes simply don’t matter under the current method.

Against these facts it is clear that conservatives and Republicans would actually benefit from the compact.

Unfortunately, some on the right are on a scare campaign to intimidate state legislators from voting for the compact. They don't understand that by switching to a popular vote, Republicans will have a better chance of winning presidential elections. Republicans will switch their strategy to focus on the red areas where people currently don't bother voting since they're not located in one of the 12 swing states.

The demographics in the swing states are changing. They're becoming more Democratic and the numbers of illegal immigrants are increasing. If we keep going with the current system, Republicans will eventually be unable to win the presidency. The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact is an idea whose time has come.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Mexico; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Florida; US: New Mexico; US: New York; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; democrats; elections; electoralcollege; faithlesselectors; florida; fraud; illegalalien; illegalimmigrants; mexico; nationalpopularvote; newyork; npv; voting
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1 posted on 07/08/2019 8:49:03 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Easy. Vote fraud.


2 posted on 07/08/2019 8:50:41 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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3 posted on 07/08/2019 8:51:53 AM PDT by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: Kaslin

““Of course, the Democrats don’t want [that] question added to the census ‘cause — because — more illegal aliens in this country and more they are counted the more electoral votes and the more power they get — more seats in the House,” he told TV host Lou Dobbs.”

Illegals could just answer the question “yes”. Dems are not worried about the census question so much as they wish to demagogue the issue.


4 posted on 07/08/2019 8:52:50 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: metmom

Vote fraud which translates to about 18 seats in the house. Which if those were Republican seats, would result in a House that would be split 216 to 217.


5 posted on 07/08/2019 8:54:26 AM PDT by taxcontrol (Stupid should hurt - dad's wisdom)
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To: Kaslin

Not sure where I heard it, but the addition of 11-12M illegals adds the equivalent of about 39 House members, representing non-citizens and (supposedly) non-voters.


6 posted on 07/08/2019 8:55:47 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: Kaslin

Let’s just ask a rhetorical question. Remove politics from it for one moment and just answer on the hypothetical level;

When is more data ever bad?

In any statistical realm, the larger your data sets, both quantitatively (in the extent of your survey/sample set) and in the qualitative sense in the information that you query for, when would less ever be considered good?

When do you not want to know something?


7 posted on 07/08/2019 8:56:14 AM PDT by z3n
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Ironically for representation.


8 posted on 07/08/2019 8:59:26 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Kaslin
"The only real solution is the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. "

That doesn't make sense. the NPV Interstate Compact affects the Presidential election and makes the electoral college ineffective. And the presidential election is not influenced at all by illegals unless the illegals are committing the crime of vote fraud. And fraud wouldn't be alleviated by the NPV Compact.

The presence of illegals influence House representation, not Presidential elections, or Senate representation.

9 posted on 07/08/2019 9:00:01 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Kaslin; All
The only real solution is the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. The compact, which is completely different from what national Democrats talk about and does not abolish the Electoral College, would negate the impact of illegal immigrants in California and other sanctuary states. Enacted by 16 states and pending in others, it will take effect when states possessing a majority of the electoral votes necessity for electing a president — 270 out of 538 — have joined the compact.

Beyond the sanctuary states, all of which reliably vote Democrat in presidential elections, it is impossible to ignore that Republican-voting Texas, Florida and Georgia have the country’s second, third and sixth highest illegal immigrant populations, according to the Pew Research Center.

This means any amnesty or so-called “comprehensive” immigration reform that legalizes illegal immigrants could make it nearly impossible for the GOP to win the White House under the current system. Just look at how candidates for the Democratic presidential nomination pandered to illegal immigrants in the party’s first debates.

*BUMP*


10 posted on 07/08/2019 9:01:00 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (We come from the earth, we return to the earth, and in between we garden.~Alfred Austin)
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To: taxcontrol

Yes, there is massive voter fraud, and search engine and major media fraud, not to mention the tens of thousands of propagandists in “education”.
It is sheer insanity to believe that the geniuses in our Constitutional convention would have thought that VISITORS should be counted. They assumed that the population would have a modicum of common sense, and that they would not have to spell it out! E.g, if the British army arrived again on America’s shores for conquest, should THEY be counted for representation? Seriously.


11 posted on 07/08/2019 9:01:59 AM PDT by alstewartfan ("The strangest women run wild down there Covered head to toe with Fur and hair." Al Stewart in Hanno)
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To: metmom
“Of course, the Democrats don’t want [that] question added to the census ‘cause — because — more illegal aliens in this country and more they are counted the more electoral votes and the more power they get — more seats in the House,” he told TV host Lou Dobbs. “This is about power. This is about elections.

Voter Fraud that dilutes the value of American citizens and their votes. This also explains why the corrupt press is fighting the question.

12 posted on 07/08/2019 9:10:16 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat: "a party that makes. Americans feel like strangers in their own country. NYT)
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To: Kaslin; BroJoeK; jeffersondem
“Of course, the Democrats don’t want [that] question added to the census ‘cause — because — more illegal aliens in this country and more they are counted the more electoral votes and the more power they get — more seats in the House,” he told TV host Lou Dobbs. “This is about power. This is about elections. This is about electoral votes.”

Same then as it was in the 1850s.

It was always about power. Nothing but power.

13 posted on 07/08/2019 9:12:10 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty.")
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To: Kaslin

It is just one of several states that have more representatives in Congress and more votes in the Electoral College because of illegal immigrants — at the expense of other states.
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As I recall, this issue is covered in some detail in that old documentment we refer to as the U.S. Constitution.

I am astonished that this obvious fact was overlooked or dismissed by Justice (Yes, he’s an idiot) Roberts.

I would be even more astonished if we hear that the Trump lawyers failed to note this Constitutional Issue in their arguments to the various courts including the Supreme Court.


14 posted on 07/08/2019 9:12:17 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (Ted, you finally endorsed. A)
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To: Kaslin

Captain obvious already figured this out and our supreme court is making it possible. They are trapping Trump to make a path for them to go against the Supreme Court also.
I guess captain obvious will figure that out soon enough.


15 posted on 07/08/2019 9:13:59 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Do you know anyone who isnÂ’t a socialist after 65? Freedom exchanged cash, a medicare card control.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

This means any amnesty or so-called “comprehensive” immigration reform that legalizes illegal immigrants could make it nearly impossible for the GOP to win the White House under the current system.
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Somebody should ask Flimsey Grahamnesty and Micro Rubio and the rest of the Bush League Republicans why they support this.


16 posted on 07/08/2019 9:15:28 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Kaslin

“I’ll take to have illegal aliens vote, for $400 Alex.”


17 posted on 07/08/2019 9:15:38 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Kaslin

Everything Dims are for is related to just one thing: Power over average Americans.


18 posted on 07/08/2019 9:23:35 AM PDT by bk1000 (I stand with Trump)
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To: Kaslin

Money and power. Its always been their objective.


19 posted on 07/08/2019 9:24:56 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Nothing makes the delusional more furious than truth.)
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To: taxcontrol
"Vote fraud which translates to about 18 seats in the house"

Why doesn't any of what's written in the article translate to jail time for demoxrats? That would solve this problem instantly.

20 posted on 07/08/2019 9:27:41 AM PDT by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait.)
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