It's a dirty job, but somebody has to do it.
Posted on 09/23/2019 11:55:44 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
Exactly right.
Your cash example is a perfect thing to bring up. There are things that put you at risk. Whether male or female, we have to use sound judgement.
I suppose it wasn’t right for me to say, “Don’t complain...” No woman deserves to be raped. That wasn’t the point.
It’s just that if someone walks through a group of people they don’t (or even do) know with a wad of cash showing, there’s very likely to be trouble. Don’t come to me complaining when you got robbed after acting so recklessly.
The first rescuers, students, saw Turner hummping on an unconscious woman. They chased him off and tackled him. She was still unconscious when police and EMS arived.
You’re more likely to get raped if you pass out drunk and you’re not stinkin.
It’s not her fault some evil freak raped her.
It is her fault she got herself stinking drunk and passed out by a dumpster.
A real man, having seen her passed out drunk, might have rendered assistance and summoned professional emergency medical help.
Turner penetrated her with his hand, causing vaginal injuries.
That is rape, legally and morally.
It is not. It is Sexual Assault. They charged him with Rape. Lab tests proved he did not rape her. They dropped those charges.
“There are young men, particularly young men of color, serving longer sentences for non-violent crimes, for having a teeny bit of marijuana in their pocket.”
No there isn’t liar.
For men and women. But its only a legal excuse for women.
Brock Turner's father sparks outrage in rape case ("a steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action")
ESPN ^ | June 6, 2016
Posted on 6/6/2016 12:48:54 PM by Wolfie
Brock Turner Appeals Sexual Assault Conviction
San Jose Mercury News ^ | December 3, 2017 | Jason Green
Posted on 12/3/2017 5:46:21 PM by nickcarraway
Rapist Brock Turner gets lifetime ban from Team USA swimming
nydailynews.com ^ | June 11, 2016 | Laura Bult
Posted on 6/11/2016 3:02:59 AM by Morgana
One million sign petition to oust judge in Brock Turner case. Will it matter?
CNN ^ | June 10, 2016 | Eliott C. McLaughlin
Posted on 6/10/2016 5:22:29 PM by Trump20162020
Well, that depends on the facts. If he had intercourse while she was out, THAT is rape. If he molested her digitally (as someone upthread stated), that’s sexual assault or molestation, not rape.
Words DO matter. We should use them precisely.
Re “Rape is not a punishment for getting drunk.”
In a tough, uncaring world, maybe it is, in the sense that you’ve got to look out for yourself a little bit, because the person next to you might not.
Of course, morally, it’s not an appropriate punishment, it’s a crime of opporutnity. A more suitable punishment for getting drunk is a vomiting hangover and a splitting headache. And a more suitable punishment for the rapist should be greater than a 3-month sentence. Unless, he too was so drunk he didn’t know what he was doing, which I don’t buy.
Thank you for stating the obvious
Fact: She is responsible for getting passed-out drunk.
He is responsible for thinking that fact made it ok for him to stick his fingers and/or any other part of his body in her genitals.
Many of the comments in this thread are repulsive and disheartening.
Yep.
Getting stupidly drunk without people to look after you is a bad idea but certainly not justification for what was done to her.
When I was a teenager some guy had sex with a girl I was friends with when she passed out at a party. Best friend and I beat the **cker within an inch of his life and told him that when the ambulance shows up you go right ahead and tell them why this happened. He didn’t but things were different back then.
Penetration while unable to give consent is rape. I’m not sure where you got your law degree, but you should ask for your money back.
The courts have now released 470 pages of documents.
Interesting reading.
See post 25.
Sexual Assault is one thing. Rape is another.
What kind of loser is so desperate that he can only “get lucky” with an unconscious girl?
It's a dirty job, but somebody has to do it.
There's about 30 Free Republic stories on this.
I never heard of it until now.
Many many FReepers believe this started out as consensual. But her drunkeness caught up with her and she passed out AFTER giving consent to sex.
Rape has been legally defined in most jurisdictions to include penetration by something other than a penis, non-penetrating acts such as female on male rape or oral intercourse, and penetration of an orifice other than a vagina.
That’s the legal definition.
Morally? Consider it personally - and we are talking about penetration here. Still just sexual assault?
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