Posted on 10/11/2019 9:33:04 AM PDT by karpov
Electricity grows on trees
I’d like to see a real objective comparison on that assertion.
Yes electric cars/trucks “move the pollution from highway”; they also concentrate that pollution to where economically feasible to do a MUCH better job of managing it (scrubbing emissions, recycling batteries). I’d rather a 1000 pound box every few years than constantly dumping minimally processed fumes into the air.
As “conservatives”, to wit “those who conserve”, methinks we do have an obligation to be good stewards of resources. (Not to be confused with anti-environmentalist, seemingly obligated to trash the planet deliberately.)
Electric truck = near-infinite torque from a full stop. EV motors are relatively VERY powerful at low speeds (starting at 0).
“I don’t see how an electric truck is going to pull my RV or boat cross country.”
My needs will work with an all electric truck.
>>True, what the heck are they doing in parts of California with electricity cut off ? How can they recharge the electric cars?
Buying diesel generators? LOL
Yes there are edge cases which EVs don’t quite fill yet. The overlap for most uses is very high now.
An electric truck (models coming soon) will likely start at 300 miles, quite possibly at (or soon) 600. Going far enough to drain that in one shot is rare for most, albeit an occasional use. After driving that far you’ll want (as I’m familiar with) to take a half-hour break - which is enough to recharge, given a high-rate charger.
FWIW, the electric truck will require far less maintenance, including brakes (regenerative braking turns deceleration into recharging, instead of just wearing down pads).
This stuff is much more complicated than environmentalists make it out to be.
High technology should reduce environmental harm in the long term, but in the short term you may need to cause environmental harm to create that technology.
Most “feel good” solutions cause more harm than good—and a poorer economy is less likely to generate the needed high tech.
“than constantly dumping minimally processed fumes into the air.”
If you live someplace where all electricity is generated without coal, electric cars give us them bad gases, just somewhere elce.
Yup. One benefit of EVs is power sourcing options.
Gas cars need, well, gas (from a gas station) to run.
EVs can be powered by charging stations, home charging (including mundane outlet), gas/diesel/propane/LP generators, solar, wind, hydro. Lots of options when the gas stops flowing.
It’s worth noting that many local gov’ts in CA are prohibiting installation of new natural gas appliances.
That’s what Rush said. I mentioned that fact. I was not trying to propose anything different. Don’t be an obnoxious twit.
I am in no way an environmentalist.
I do appreciate that there is a temporary bump in “messes” as a new technology develops & distributes. That’s a necessity of progress, and we all want progress. Over time we get more efficient, improving tech while lowering costs - and benefitting humanity in general.
“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” Environmentalists, on the whole, think technology is magic - so assume there is no cost to achieving it.
But those “bad gasses” will be produced in a concentrated location, where air scrubbers etc of very high efficiency are feasible. A building-sized emissions control system will do a much better job than dispersing the task among the equivalent number of individual mobile engines.
I live in Utah. Our ur state is home to the generating much of the electricity for California. We get their polution.
Electricity moves the pollution from point of use. You drive your electric car here and you pollute over there.
This Title needs to Battery Powered Electric Vehicles.
Electric Vehicles are the future, generating the electricity is the only hurdle.
They are far more efficient and simple.
I’ll worry about that when it comes to America.
If I had the extra money, I would get an EV and power it with a little gas generator. Holy cow, my coworker who sits behind me would loose his mind...
But, EV as a fail safe is a very cool idea, How about retrofitting a gas with a l-ion power source for a SHTF moment. Store it in a lead-lined shed.
I bought a Stihl battery operated hedge trimmer this summer. This is after 35 years of 2 cycle engines.
I was very skeptical. The dealer convinced me to go with the AK30 battery. The largest for the class of tool.
I brought it home and charged it overnight. I used it for 2 1/2 hours the first day. It still had 25% of charge left.
I used it again the second day for the same amount of time.
The fact is with the battery operated trimmer that you let go of the trigger for 10-15 seconds when you are not using it. Where as with a gas powered trimmer you leave it running when you are carrying it between stops.
My brother in law has a Stihl chainsaw with the same battery. He loves it. It is perfect for a home owner that uses it three times a year.
Then stop sending your electricity there; result is you won’t have their pollution. Raise the prices until they stop buying it (and given how much cheaper it is to run an EV per mile than ICE, you can raise that price a _lot_ just to reach break-even, and they’re willing to pay a lot more just to “go green”).
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