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I'm not sure what to tell you about mantras. Why do you want to understand them? :)
Posted on 10/29/2019 5:26:52 PM PDT by Farcesensitive
“I don’t know where you got those definitions of the Four Noble Truths but they are all complete bull schiff.”
How about anywhere they are discussed? You could try Wikipedia even. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Noble_Truths
Or maybe look a standard reference work, encyclopedia of religion. I am siting pretty standard stuff.
No such thing.
Once enlightenment is achieved there is no need for Buddhism so only those who have not attained that purity would, by definition, be Buddhists. :)
Besides, if you use a gun to defend yourself you can’t control whether your attacker will die from his wounds or not. Or a sword or a knife or a baseball bat or ...
They sure are, Those have been twisted to appease the ears of a dishonest intolerant non-Buddhist cult.
But yer always startin' sompin, little Buudhi.
Besides, Agent J's motto is B.S.
A fight will find everyone sooner or later, and then you decide to defend yourself...or crawl.
This is the first time I’ve ever heard Buddhists called Lucferian.
They are about as harmless as they come.
The Four Noble TruthsTHE FIRST NOBLE TRUTH
What is the Noble Truth of Suffering?
Birth is suffering, aging is suffering, sickness is suffering, dissociation from the loved is suffering, not to get what one wants is suffering: in short the five categories affected by clinging are suffering.
THE SECOND NOBLE TRUTH
What is the Noble Truth of the Origin of Suffering?
It is craving which renews being and is accompanied by relish and lust, relishing this and that: in other words, craving for sensual desires, craving for being, craving for non-being. But whereon does this craving arise and flourish? Wherever there is what seems lovable and gratifying, thereon it arises and flourishes.
THE THIRD NOBLE TRUTH
What is the Noble Truth of the Cessation of Suffering?
It is the remainderless fading and cessation of that same craving; the rejecting, relinquishing, leaving and renouncing of it. But whereon is this craving abandoned and made to cease? Wherever there is what seems lovable and gratifying, thereon it is abandoned and made to cease.
THE FOURTH NOBLE TRUTH
What is the Noble Truth of the Way Leading to the Cessation of Suffering?
It is the Noble Eightfold Path, that is to say: Right View, Right Intention, Right Speech, Right Action, Right Livelihood, Right Effort, Right Mindfulness and Right Concentration.
How does that contradict "don’t start nothin’, won’t be nothin’?"
There are a bunch of folks here that could use a small dose of that.
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Indeed! From the Buddhist POV we all need very large and continuing doses of it. :)
But as any doctor will tell you patient compliance is a stubborn problem.
It even agrees with the Bible, lust and ego cause most of this world’s problems. To master self over these is the path to peace and enlightenment.
THE FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS1. All things are subject to change, to live is to suffer.
2. Suffering is a condition of the mind, recognize the origin of suffering is attachment.
3. Suffering begins and ends in the mind, the end of suffering is attainable.
4. The path to end our suffering.
I would change one word in the statement that follows that though.
The First Noble Truth: In order to live you must will suffer.
Must implies that suffering is a requirement which further implies that someone or something is imposing suffering on the living. Suffering simply is a condition of life. If you immerse yourself in water you will be wet. The water is not forcing you to be wet.
I don’t understand your confusion.
You managing to keep from throwing a punch doesn’t mean the other guy won’t punch and kick you to death.
You consider that an acceptable outcome?
“If you immerse yourself in water you will be wet. The water is not forcing you to be wet.”
And nothing is forcing you to feel that it should be uncomfortable to be wet. Mind over physical self is what this is all about.
I am confused that you think that is what I said or anything remotely related to what I said.
Haven't you ever seen the movie Men In Black? Agent J isn't the one who died. :)
You can find a lot of silly things said by members of every religion or philosophy. That's not what matters. What matters is the substance of what is being taught. Mindfulness is in fact secular, as is Buddhist philosophy. You can be a Catholic Buddhist if you are so disposed. The idea that it's some occult thing is just nonsense.
This is admittedly confusing because a religion was built on top of the Buddhist philosophy and they are often confused with each other. But most religious Buddhists never practice meditation, and Mindfulness meditation has no religious meaning. There are two entirely different things in the world sharing the label "Buddhist".
What's being discussed here is not the religion. It is the practice of understanding the mind. Which is an incredibly useful thing to do and really ought to be taught to everyone.
I was simply trying to clarify that the First Noble Truth is saying that life is imbued with suffering. It is an unavoidable condition of life as opposed to being a 'requirement' of life as the word 'must' implies.
I wasn't attempting to encompass the remaining three Noble Truths with that analogy.
And nothing is forcing you to feel that it should be uncomfortable to be wet. Mind over physical self is what this is all about.
Sort of. It's more about mind over perception of self, physical and otherwise.
Hollywood actors - who claim to practice Buddhism in opposition to their Christian upbringings - usually gloss right over these latter four standards. :)
I don't understand your mantras, either.
It all sounds quite fine, as long as one doesn't take it much farther than whether the bathwater is forcing you to be wet or if you are forcing...uh, well, there you go...I didn't really drink in that whole part.
I do want to be able to protect myself, and even more so those who depend on me.
But you are right, Will Smith and the bubblebath don't cut it for silly old me.
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I'm not sure what to tell you about mantras. Why do you want to understand them? :)
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