Skip to comments.Where Are the 'High Crimes'?
Posted on 11/05/2019 4:31:22 AM PST by Kaslin
"Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
These are the offenses designated in the Constitution for which presidents may be impeached and removed from office.
Which of these did Trump commit?
According to his accusers in this city, his crime is as follows:
The president imperiled our "national security" by delaying, for his own reasons, a transfer of lethal aid and Javelin missiles to Ukraine -- the very weapons President Barack Obama refused to send to Ukraine, lest they widen and lengthen the war in the Donbass.
Now, if Trump imperiled national security by delaying the transfer of the weapons, was not Obama guilty of a greater crime against our national security by denying the weapons to Ukraine altogether?
The essence of Trump's crime, it is said, was that he demanded a quid pro quo. He passed word to incoming President Volodymyr Zelensky that if he did not hold a press conference to announce an investigation of Joe Biden and son Hunter, he, Zelensky, would not get the arms we had promised, nor the Oval Office meeting that Zelensky requested.
Again, where is the body of the crime?
Did Zelensky hold the press conference Trump demanded? No.
Did Zelensky announce Ukraine was investigating the Bidens? No.
Did Zelensky get the Oval Office meeting? Yes.
Did Zelensky get the U.S. weapons? Yes, $400 million in arms and Javelin missiles.
Where then is the crime? When was it consummated?
Or was this a thought crime, a bluff to get Zelensky to look into how Hunter Biden got a $50,000-a-month seat on the board of the most corrupt company in Ukraine, days after Joe Biden was in Kyiv threatening to block a $1 billion loan guarantee to the regime.
By the way, what was Biden doing approving a $1 billion loan guarantee to Petro Poroshenko's regime, which was so corrupt that it ferociously fought not to fire a prosecutor whose dismissal all of Europe was demanding?
Should Biden be nominated and elected, a special prosecutor would have to be appointed to investigate this smelly deal, as well as the $1 billion Hunter got for his equity fund from the Chinese after his father visited the Middle Kingdom.
Given last week's party-line vote in the House, where all but two Democrats voted to proceed with the inquiry, the impeachment of President Donald Trump seems baked in the cake. Speaker Nancy Pelosi's designation of Adam Schiff to head the investigation tells us all we need to know about the sincerity of her pledge to make the inquiry bipartisan.
Suppose Zelensky had agreed to an investigation into how Hunter Biden, with no experience in the energy industry, got his sweetheart deal.
Would that be impeachable for Trump? How so?
Does not the U.S. have a right to put conditions on its foreign aid and to seek guarantees that our money will not be used as graft to grifters?
A few of those listening in on Trump's phone call with Zelensky have gone public asserting that withholding the arms transfer to Kyiv imperiled our national security.
But if east Ukraine rises up and secedes from Kyiv, as Kyiv itself seceded from the Russian Federation at the end of the Cold War, how does any of that endanger America's national security? Did not George H.W. Bush himself warn, three decades ago, that a declaration of independence by Ukraine from the Russian Federation would constitute an act of "suicidal nationalism"?
And who does the Constitution charge with making the decisions as to whether military aid goes to Ukraine?
The president, or some NSC staffer who sits on the Ukraine desk?
Since the U.S.-backed overthrow of the pro-Russian regime in Kyiv in 2014, and Vladimir Putin's counter-seizure of Crimea and support for pro-Russian secessionists in Donetsk and Luhansk, there has been a debate in the USA over how to deal with this faraway problem.
Obama decided not to send lethal aid or tank-killing Javelin missiles, lest the U.S. arms escalate a war between Russia and Ukraine that Kyiv could not win.
The Republicans argued the issue at their Cleveland convention. Trump's team won that argument, but lethal aid and Javelin missiles were eventually sent to Kyiv. Now Trump has sent even more weapons.
But again, the authority to make this decision resides in the Oval Office, not in the NSC, not in the CIA, and not with those in the "deep state" who have their own settled view of what U.S. foreign policy should be.
The authority lies with the elected president of the United States.
This impeachment battle will almost surely reach the Senate.
And in the end it will be about what it has been about since the beginning: An attempt by the deep state and its media, bureaucratic and political allies to overturn the democratic verdict of 2016 and to overthrow the elected president of the United States.
The establishment's coup attempt is now approaching end game.
“”””Which of these did Trump commit? “””””””
He is a Republican and he beat Hillary.
Off with his head.
Yeah how dare he.
You can bet IF there were such crimes, the Trump-hating media would be all over it.
We’d be barraged with every detail they could dig up.
Significantly, not a peep from Woodward and Bernstein.
The Dims are too stupid to see what they are doing to themselves. If a trial reaches the Senate, every bit of their dirty laundry corruption will be brought up on national TV, on every enemedia broadcast station, with the maximum viewers. The Dims will not be able to stop it.
Schiff's reading into the Congressional Record, his version of the Trump/Ukraine telephone call,
which Schiff called a "parody" is reminiscent of banana republic courts.
In Woody Allen's "Banana's" movie classic, the courtroom scene has Mellish (Allen) defending himself from a series
of incriminating witnesses, including a reigning Miss America and a middle-aged Afro-American woman claiming to be
J. Edgar Hoover in disguise.
One of the witnesses does provide testimony favorable to Mellish, but when asked to read back the testimony,
the court clerk, replies with an entirely different, wholly unfavorable rendition.
Pat B. is, once again, FOS!
The aid from the US did not involve Javelin missiles. The Ukraine was buying the missiles and Z said they wanted to buy more. Trump said “OK”.
Z didn’t even know then that some monetary aid was being delayed until later. ....The balance of the monetary aid was paid, even though Z did not order investigation of his country’s role in the 2016 election mess.
Isn’t winning the election without going through the proper channels of bribery, graft, corruption, back room deals,... enough of a reason to Impeach??
Two scoops of ice cream.
Or shifty Schiff a partisan liar?
Where is just one Article of Impeachment?
I don’t accept the Democrat kangaroo court. I am this close to withdrawing my consent to be governed.
Yep. Give them enough rope and they will hang themselves.
What I do remember was that Bolton played some kind of role in confirming that the use of the money would be as Ukraine promised.
So we need to look at when the money was first approved and when the additional money was approved, when the Ukraine election occurred, when Zelensky actually took office.
In other words, Schitt is jumping over dots he doesn't like...to create his false narrative.
He did the same thing with the Russian Collusion. Remember, he had "absolute oroff" of collusion the moment Mueller said "I do".
That would be “absolute proof”......
Which makes me think the opposite that the smart ones (few and far between, I know) want only to keep playing this out without ever getting to the Senate so the President has to keep holding those cards just in case rather than playing them.
“The meaning of high Crimes and Misdemeanors was, so to speak, its own distinct thing.”
Oh, ya mean like “natural born citizen?
YES! EXACTLY LIKE THAT!
“The meaning of high Crimes and Misdemeanors was, so to speak, its own distinct thing. It was not a combination of crimes and misdemeanors as understood in todays criminal-law sense. It was instead a unique legal term with its own meaning. The framers of the Constitution understood and used the phrase in that specialized sense, consciously adopting a known English-practice term of art in preference to other proposed formulations of the impeachment standard. And the ratification debates uniformly reflect that same broad understanding.”
Where are the Misdemeanors?
Where is the proverbial J-Walking ticket?
1. produce their version of the testimony and link it to Trump needs to go
2. dems vote to impeach him to get it on the record they followed through
3. complain when it doesn’t remove him from office in senate
4. emphasize they need to hold house/gain senate to remove him in 2020 when he gets relected
This is their cake and eat it too strategy.
They don’t care about anything else and know they have taken a dangerous path, but to them its all about self preservation and nothing to do with whats best for the country...
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