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In Tense Exchange, Trump and Macron Put Forth Dueling Visions for NATO
New York Times ^ | 12/03/2019 | By Katie Rogers and Annie Karni

Posted on 12/03/2019 2:02:13 PM PST by SeekAndFind

LONDON — President Trump sat down in a gilded chair beside President Emmanuel Macron of France on Tuesday, prepared for what has become a ritual of sorts on his home turf at the White House: He holds forth as another leader is left to smile stoically through his jokes, jabs and insults.

But Mr. Macron changed the script. By the time their 45-minute appearance at the American ambassador’s residence in London was over, the French leader had managed a rare role reversal, putting Mr. Trump on the defensive about his vision for NATO and his handling of a military conflict involving Turkey, and swatting away the president’s joke about sending Islamic State fighters from Syria to France.

“Would you like some nice ISIS fighters?” Mr. Trump said, crouching forward and claiming that “many” fighters had come from France. “I can give them to you.”

“Let’s be serious,” Mr. Macron, who sat coiled on the edge of his seat with one hand clamped firmly on his knee, replied. “The very large numbers of fighters on the ground are the fighters coming from Syria, from Iraq.”

The dramatic moment, which came as both leaders were in London to celebrate the 70th anniversary of the NATO alliance, underscored how a relationship formerly known for lingering hugs, lint-brushing and white-knuckle handshakes has devolved over divisions on matters ranging from terrorism to trade policy.

This time, the deterioration took place on live television.

“The president doesn’t like confrontation in person and doesn’t quite know how to react to being on the receiving end,” said Heather A. Conley, director of the Europe program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. “Macron understands that. He’s decided the best defense is offense.”

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To: SeekAndFind

WATCH THEIR CLASH OF WORDS HERE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnmHQ5Oe-tY


2 posted on 12/03/2019 2:05:20 PM PST by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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To: SeekAndFind
“The very large numbers of fighters on the ground are the fighters coming from Syria, from Iraq.”

Macron needs to realize that he is allowing the same warriors he mentions here to flood into his country. I would say "before it is too late," but I suspect it might be past that point.

3 posted on 12/03/2019 2:06:22 PM PST by Ingtar (Bedbugs, thy name is Democrat.)
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To: SeekAndFind

and the french plan?

oh i see... both hands raised above our heads?


4 posted on 12/03/2019 2:06:48 PM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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In your dreams NYT.

We’ll see who gets the best of this over time.


5 posted on 12/03/2019 2:24:46 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Pledge: "...and to the Democracy for which it stands..." I give up. Use the democRat meme...)
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To: SeekAndFind

In the video, it seed like Macron’s butt plug was chaffing.


6 posted on 12/03/2019 2:31:48 PM PST by Drango (1776 = 2020)
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To: SeekAndFind

Whose tense? Certainly not PDJT.


7 posted on 12/03/2019 2:33:01 PM PST by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrats' John Dean])
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NYT Is full of sh*t as usual.


8 posted on 12/03/2019 2:44:37 PM PST by gibsonguy
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To: SeekAndFind
". . .the French leader had managed a rare role reversal . . ."

Bull, the French leader walked right into a carefully prepared trap Trump has been working on since he was sworn in.

The MIC is dead set against the US pulling out of Europe, Trump knows that and has been squeezing the EU countries to stir up resentment that will cause the usual reaction against the US being a nasty bully just because the US pays the most. That in turn leads to a consensus in Brussels for a reduced US personnel presence in the EU.

If the EU and European NATO members decide that they actually will spend more, they'll also dig in their heels over evolving NATO standards that make the arms market so comfortable for the US MIC. Telling the US that they don't need or want as many US troops in Europe will naturally follow. Consequently, it's easier for Trump to fight the MIC that kicks back billions to the Deep State.

It's a different front, but it's part of the same campaign in the same war that declaring Mexican drug cartels terrorists is a part of.

JMHo

9 posted on 12/03/2019 2:45:53 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Toy poodler versus Rotweiler.

One noisy. One dominant.

Not a hard guess wh the alpha is.


10 posted on 12/03/2019 2:47:30 PM PST by Lowell1775
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To: Lowell1775

Does anyone pay attention to the Times?


11 posted on 12/03/2019 2:50:49 PM PST by ActresponsiblyinVA
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Apropos of nothing, it's been a long, long time since anyone in France chopped wood by hand.

Partisan Media Shills update.


12 posted on 12/03/2019 2:51:44 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“In Tense Exchange, Trump and Macron Put Forth Dueling Visions for NATO”

Trump could always just pull the U.S. all the way out of NATO and then let Macron have whatever vision Macron wants for NATO ...


13 posted on 12/03/2019 4:18:48 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Once again once you watch the video you realize the main stream media is totally misrepresenting what happened. Trump's statement about the fighters is clearly made in a light hearted way -- and Macron knows it, so he starts his answer off by saying "seriously" to characterize his response as oriented to the actual problems.

Macron goes on to try to avoid talking about what to do with the French citizens who joined ISIS, by talking about the rest of the ISIS fighters, and every other topic he can think of to minimize the real problem he and the rest of the Europeans face.

14 posted on 12/03/2019 4:22:57 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: SeekAndFind

Did France rejoin NATO?

When did that happen?

(And if it hasn’t, Macron should just shut his yap.)


15 posted on 12/03/2019 7:25:02 PM PST by jdege
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To: DoughtyOne
Will look who's still missing the mark of 2% agreed on.....and they whine the loudest!


16 posted on 12/03/2019 8:18:21 PM PST by caww
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To: caww

I hear ya...

Europe is puffed up and incapable of being embarrassed.


17 posted on 12/03/2019 11:48:07 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Pledge: "...and to the Democracy for which it stands..." I give up. Use the democRat meme...)
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To: Rashputin

NICE “humble opinion” Rashputin! Thanks for sharing it!


18 posted on 12/03/2019 11:55:20 PM PST by smvoice (I WILL NOT WEAR THE RIBBON.)
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To: smvoice

thanks and Regards


19 posted on 12/04/2019 9:04:10 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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