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Beijing Yanks DPRK Chain - Denuclearization off the Table
Conservative Treehouse ^ | 127/2019 | Sundance

Posted on 12/07/2019 5:35:04 PM PST by datura

China controls North Korea; essentially as a proxy province. As a result Beijing controls the messaging from the DPRK. Chinese Chairman Xi Jinping is the captor and North Korean Chairman Kim Jong-un is the captive – it’s essentially a hostage dynamic. The historic objective has been to use DPRK aggression as a hedge against the west.

Predictably there was going to come a moment when Chairman Xi realized the trade negotiations by his adversary, President Trump, were a hall of mirrors. The U.S. President has played China by using their own panda-mask strategy against them.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: asia; chicoms; china; northkorea; nuclear
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An excellent article by Sundance regarding China. Worth the full read for sure.
1 posted on 12/07/2019 5:35:04 PM PST by datura
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To: datura

The Pope will be so sad


2 posted on 12/07/2019 5:37:56 PM PST by butlerweave
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To: datura

Then we should lift the sanctions on North Korea and apply them to the Peoples Republic of China.


3 posted on 12/07/2019 5:38:39 PM PST by Alas Babylon! (The prisons do not fill themselves. Get moving, Barr!)
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To: datura; Fred Nerks

Really great analysis here:

“The actual goal of President Trump’s U.S-China trade reset is a complete decoupling of U.S. critical manufacturing within China. President Trump does not express angst, frustration, or even disappointment over the U.S-China trade discussions because the decoupling is well underway.”


4 posted on 12/07/2019 5:40:10 PM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism)http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obam_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Incrementally I think that’s well underway with China.

I have stopped discussing China with my Chinese wife - they have no idea what is happening other than a huge rise in food prices there from the swine flu outbreak. Her family back home is clueless about real world events...


5 posted on 12/07/2019 5:41:19 PM PST by datura
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To: datura
Every time North Korea has launched a missile over the sea or made some nutty proclamation in the last year or two, my gut reaction has been "Do they really mean that?"

I'm inclined to believe that Trump's personal meetings with Kim are yielding greater fruit that we may presently realize. The problem is, Kim is walking an unenviable tightrope between China on one hand and his own government on the other. The potential threat to him from hardliners/malcontents in the NK regime should not be underestimated. Doubtless, Trump understands this. Maybe that's why he has been so "forgiving" for Kim's actions sometimes. He knows that Kim has to look strong... or else.

North Korea may be at the most perilous point in all its history. Much more so than the Korean War. Which will Kim favor: his longtime Chinese masters or a nascent friendship with the outside world via President Trump?

Thanks for posting. Very good article.

6 posted on 12/07/2019 5:46:14 PM PST by Ciaphas Cain (Liberalism destroys everything. It's time to destroy liberalism instead.)
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To: Ciaphas Cain

Double Santions of NK and China. Period


7 posted on 12/07/2019 5:50:16 PM PST by mplc51
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To: Ciaphas Cain

China is feeling the heat, now trying to put pressure on Trump. The Trade war is kicking China’s ass.


8 posted on 12/07/2019 5:50:30 PM PST by Equine1952 (( You can die on your feet or live down on your knees. You can not do both. Freedom Is not Free))
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To: Ciaphas Cain

Thank you for your reply and analysis - I hadn’t thought of it in your way before.


9 posted on 12/07/2019 5:54:19 PM PST by datura
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To: Ciaphas Cain

How much of the current impeachment insanity is being run by Beijing I wonder.....


10 posted on 12/07/2019 5:55:45 PM PST by datura
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I’m sure “China Girl” Feinstein could tell us some interesting stuff...


11 posted on 12/07/2019 5:57:34 PM PST by kiryandil (Chris Wallace: Because someone has to drive the Clown Car)
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To: datura

Great article, and the author is exactly right : Un is Xi’s bitch.


12 posted on 12/07/2019 5:57:49 PM PST by libh8er
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To: datura

Not only is this CTH, but it’s Sundance, and I can get more accurate info from the local mediums and witch doctors than him...

Kim is desperate for some attention because he has slid so far down Trump’s list that he is rarely mentioned anymore. Considering the ZERO progress on the DPRK front for the past year, this would carry almost ZERO weight as a negotiating chip. Guaranteeing denuclearization would be big, but this threat is just more of the status quo.


13 posted on 12/07/2019 5:58:24 PM PST by ETCM
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To: datura

Per the article

President Trump achieved his goal when no-one was paying attention. The goal was a decoupling from China on economic terms. Strategic decoupling has been underway for over a year. There is no actual intent to reach a trade deal with China where the U.S. drops the tariffs and returns to holding hands with a happy panda playing by new rules. This fictional narrative is a figment of fantasy being sold by a financial media that cannot fathom a U.S. President would be so bold as to just walk away from China.

For almost three years U.S. President Trump has been working on two connected objectives: (1) removing the threat posed by North Korea by severing the ability of Beijing to use the proxy province as a weapon (Kim is hostage to China); and (2) deconstructing the growing economic influence of China.


14 posted on 12/07/2019 6:00:50 PM PST by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: Candor7

That makes very good sense. Thanks.


15 posted on 12/07/2019 6:01:05 PM PST by laplata (The Left/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: datura
As it is, reverting back to bicycles and rickshaws would improve beijing's air pollution.

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16 posted on 12/07/2019 6:05:13 PM PST by chief lee runamok (expect nothing)
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To: datura

Hate this guy but he has a good point.

Sobmission to China in the “trade war” = favorable actions by NK and Iran.

Trump is having none of it.


17 posted on 12/07/2019 6:07:18 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts (M / F) : Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: datura

China is suffering a slow death by a thousand paper-cuts. The bleeding of cash in combination with the direct loss of $75 billion in annualized exported products that U.S. companies have now sourced from alternative ASEAN nations is biting hard.
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Well, let’s administer ANOTHER THOUSAND paper-cuts.


18 posted on 12/07/2019 6:07:22 PM PST by House Atreides (Boycott the NFL 100% — PERMANENTLY)
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To: datura

Not that President Trump needs my advice....

But if Sundance is right our government should publicly state in advance that any NK ballistic missile launch would be viewed by the US as conclusive proof of a Chinese decision to not negotiate in good faith on US-China trade. And that the already proposed US tariff increases would be implemented. That’s China.

As for NK, I would create a completely separate track and offer them a positive way forward that gives them a reason to gradually separate from PRC control. Something small, for now, that they can pursue without getting controlled by China.


19 posted on 12/07/2019 6:10:51 PM PST by plymaniac
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To: datura

Trump is playing them like the Dems. Trump is the first American president in a long time to put US interest first.


20 posted on 12/07/2019 6:25:20 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Everyone who favors socialism plans on the government taking other people's money, not theirs.)
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