Posted on 01/07/2020 5:37:59 AM PST by Kaslin
Leaving does not mean leave leave. We have newly built bases on Kurd turf in northern Iraq.
Keep in mind that the mullahs retain their hold on power in Iran by force, and that may not last.
Thank your for your comment.
My reaction is this and I hope you will correct me. I sometimes use the term, “magic words” to refer to undefined terms which close off debate and hide the real issues. You used two of the type, and I wonder if you can fill out what you actually mean by them.
The first would be our “national security interests.” That term to me has meant anything from Mideast oil to whatever the stupid CIA is meddling with in any other country. Sometimes it means what are also called “treaty obligations” and includes an imagined responsibility to protect Japan and Taiwan and all off Europe from the commies. For Bush and W
it meant protecting the petro-dollar system.
The other term you used is “isolationism” which bears an unpatriotic connotation since WWI! Please explain and justify your contention that “isolationism never solved any of America’s problems.” I suspect that you will be unable to do this. People can still be sometimes intimidated by terminology, but that can cut both ways. “ Globalists!” “ Marxists!” “New World Order!” Anyone who cries “isolationism” is a puppet of the globalists! Well maybe you can tell us what you actually mean.
Please, I hope I do not sound like I am correcting you. We need to understand why we need to be in the region. Isolationism is not a reason. Know what I mean?
Drop anything (esp. weapons) we don’t want to take home in “Sunnistan.”
Pack up the troops and the rest and bring them home.
Put it on pay-per-view and pop popcorn.
Joe Biden (of all people) had the right idea.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Joe Biden was theoretically correct. But bringing about the partition of Iraq would have actually united all three entities against the USA, making it impossible for our country to bring it about. Partition only works if everyone agrees to it, or if everyone does not know whats happening.Look at India and Pakistan for example.
Like most liberals , the idea itself is enough. They pay only lip service to the practicalities of implementation , which is why they restrict military ROEs to make sure we are defeated rather than properly engage the enemy.
For the left, they think the brilliance of idea is enough, and so then create ideas in their own bent minds that our soldiers are lightly armed social workers to whom we need not give more that one bullet.That our soldiers could simply apply a demographic solution in Iraq and all would be well?
What a laugh. The Shia and Sunni would cross a galaxy ,crawling on broken glass, to get at each other for supremacy over Mecca, thereby vitiating any such “brilliant” ideas of Joe Biden.
Joe Biden would be terrible as a President. He would be having brilliant ideas from his advisors which would sparkle like jewels in the MSM showcase until action was based on them, and if those actions continued would destroy America and possibly start a world war, with the biggest OOPSEY, Joe Biden spin by the media ever.
Poor Joe. All hat and no cattle. And now his hat has holes in it, initial stages of dementia.
“Strikes against Iranian infrastructure such as water, power and petroleum might well bring down the regime..”
They might and they might not. Personally I don’t care one way or the other. The point is that the Mullahs have been killing Americans almost without consequences since 1979. That can not be allowed to continue. President Trump has made it very clear that it must end.
The current regime in Iran is a problem to be solved by the Iranians. Does it suck to be under the boots of a bunch or religious whackos who think someone is going to crawl out of a well and lead them to world domination?
Yep. It sucks to be them, alright.
“Our bunker busters might not be potent enough to destroy these sites entirely, but he might be able to seal them shut.”
They all have entrances and exits. And they all need to be resupplied on a regular basis. That means trucks and trains. Bury the doors and destroy the supplies and drivers en route. They’ll soon run out of both
A really clever move would be to airdrop pallets of captured AK-47s and ammunition into some of the more restive areas of the country and let the opposition do the heavy lifting. If the Quds thugs are tied down dodging bullets and burying their families they won’t have a lot of time for stirring up trouble outside of their borders.
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If they want us to leave, perfect. We will destroy ever bit of infrastructure we spent trillions of dollars building before we go. They like the Stone Age better? They can start over from scratch.
Twas Sunnis who took down the Twin Towers.
We should have rebuilt them as a big FU.
We never should have been anywhere in the ME in the first place.
F*** the lot of them. Lay waste to anyone who screws with us.
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Correct.
The Mullah’s are just waiting until 2020 or 2024 when a Democrat becomes President, and they can coerce the Democratic Party to drop sanctions and give them another large cash payment again.
Reading between lines on the Trump Doctrine, his administration is trying to do a real review of our permanent interests, and how to secure them by bolstering nonmilitary means ( economic strength but defensively backed by military power) and dealing with strategic competitors like China as strategic competitors, not evil enemies.
All while facing downright sedition and treason from an entrenched US establishment ( and global financial powers) with their own interests
2) isolationism. Examine the period of US history prior to WW1 and WW2, How did our attempts at global economic engagement but noninvolvement in Eurasian military conflict work out? Our navy was in Pearl Harbor. Why was it attacked there? Why did Germany declare war against us ( before we declared war against them)
After we follow the jingoistic Mr Buchanan, withdraw from the middle east ( diplomatic, commercial and military that defends the diplomatic and commercial) , draw down our military and settle into peaceful noninvolvement, how long do you think that lasts? We no longer a threat to anyone, right? Do we remain indifferent to the fate of Israel? Remaining Secularist states struggling vs totalitarian islam? They happy to leave us alone then?
I’m sure there is more from our history but I don't have time to write you a term paper.
Let the common people keep their humanitarian needs for water and power
Hit the refineries
What brought the protesters out against the mullahs was when they raised the price of gasoline. Lets see them have no gas.
You do realize that Iraq already has $22 billion in US weapons, right?
Thank you! If you wrote a paper, it would be a good one and I would be very grateful. Number one was very good real answer. Number two not as good but I recognize it partly as the argument that we have to fight them somewhere and partly that the arguments in favor of isolationism are invalid, namely that all we need do is retreat and they will leave us alone.
The history lesson can work if we agree that the comparison to today is valid but that merely restates the question.
(?) “Our reticence to fight in Europe during 1914 - 1917 caused all the misery of the 20th century.”
(?) “Our involvement in WWI made possible WWII which assured the continuation of communist tyranny.” Both of the statements are post hoc fallacies and there is a false dilemma to them as well, because we could just kill everybody and annex everything. Let’s give Puerto Rico back to Spain! No, let’s annex Spain!
I searched your user name and read through a lot of your comments on the forum and enjoyed it very much. FReegards!
Pat Buchanan did not think we should have fought the Germans in WW2. He wrote a book about it. It was available at his website. The Germans! In WW2! He is crazy.
I recently read that General Patton thought the US should have fought the Russians and wiped the communists out instead of fighting with them
We should have installed a King. Democracy is a farce.
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