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The fight to get citizenship for descendants of German Jews
BBC ^ | 18 November 2019 | Rosie Whitehouse

Posted on 01/12/2020 10:38:43 PM PST by Zhang Fei

A British lawyer is accusing the German government of violating the country's constitution by refusing to restore the citizenship of thousands of people descended from victims of the Nazis. He argues that the law began to be misapplied under the lingering influence of former Nazis in the 1950s and 60s, and that it's still being misapplied today.

James Strauss has lived all his life in New York but in the 1930s his family ran an inn and butcher's business in the town of Gunzenhausen, south of Nuremberg. It was here that an event known as the Bloody Palm Sunday pogrom took place in March 1934, with the inn at its epicentre. As Nazis rioted in the town, two Jews were murdered and Julius Strauss, James's father, was beaten unconscious and locked up in the town's jail.

The pogrom is recognised by historians as one of the worst anti-Semitic incidents in Germany prior to the Kristallnacht attacks in November 1938.

The ringleader, Kurt Baer, a member of a Nazi paramilitary force known as the SA, was tried and jailed - but soon released by a Nazi-sympathising judge.

He then returned to the inn to take revenge, shooting and seriously wounding the 27-year-old Julius and murdering his father Simon. (Baer was later sentenced to life imprisonment, but pardoned after four years.)

As soon as he was able to, Julius fled Germany in fear of his life and settled in New York, where he met and married another German Jewish refugee. But he never fully recovered from the attack as the lead bullets could not be removed from his body, and he died as a result of his injuries in 1956, on his son James's ninth birthday.

Almost 60 years later, in 2015, James Strauss decided to make a trip to Gunzenhausen.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: germany; jewish; jewry; judaism
Germany appears to be interested in accepting hordes of random Jew-hating Muslims, but not the descendants of Jews evicted from Germany.
1 posted on 01/12/2020 10:38:43 PM PST by Zhang Fei
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To: Zhang Fei
Article 116 of Germany's post-war constitution says descendants of people deprived of their citizenship during the Nazi era "shall on application have their citizenship restored", but the German authorities are refusing the descendants of people like Julius Strauss on the grounds that they left "voluntarily".

So, the argument is, "You should have stayed behind and gotten murdered. Then we would gladly restore citizenship.

This guy already survived one pogram in the early years of Nazi German. I'm not really sure how voluntary his flight was.

2 posted on 01/12/2020 10:59:36 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Zhang Fei

I wonder how many of people who were deprived of citizenship actually survived?


3 posted on 01/12/2020 11:01:14 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Zhang Fei

Is anyone surprised by this?

Also, I suspect a fiscal aspect as they would be more Germans eligible for German retirement benefits.

Not sure what the freeloading Muz get regards retirement under the German system.


4 posted on 01/12/2020 11:04:40 PM PST by Ex gun maker. (Unconstitutional "Law" is void from inception.....)
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To: nickcarraway

[I wonder how many of people who were deprived of citizenship actually survived?]


2/3 of German Jews survived, because many left Europe, starting in 1933. Over 300,000.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

Non-German Jews were caught flat-footed by Germany’s quest to conquer the entire continent.


5 posted on 01/13/2020 12:25:25 AM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei
2/3 of German Jews survived, because many left Europe, starting in 1933. Over 300,000.

But most of them "voluntarily" gave up their citizenship. I am guess many who were deprived of their citizenship were not allowed to leave.

6 posted on 01/13/2020 12:44:15 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Zhang Fei

Jews were sleepwalking from 1800-1945 thinking the majority of Christian Europe would FINALLY accept them as fellow Germans (or citizens of all other European nations) as part of the “Emancipation”.
Jew-hatred was rampant for 2000 years but in the 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries was also very strong.
Hitler’s base for annihilation was already set in place before 1933.
Ze’ev Jabotinsky (amongst others) as late as the late 1930’s of the coming Holocaust. Many stayed in place thinking there would be a sort of WWI Chivalric civility in terms of how POWs were treated or those under foreign occupation.
They missed all the clues, all the signs, all the violence, all the opportunities to run away but who could believe what was about to happen?


7 posted on 01/13/2020 1:23:16 AM PST by Netz ( and looking for a way ti IMPROVE mankind.i)
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To: Netz

[They missed all the clues, all the signs, all the violence, all the opportunities to run away but who could believe what was about to happen?]


The “convert or die” option had always previously been available. Unfortunately, Germans not foreclosed the convert option in Germany itself - they extended it to every square foot of Europe they conquered. That was simply unheard of and unprecedented in anything but the aftermath of a bloody battle where the attackers slaughtered the besieged after suffering horrendous casualties. To do this in the cold light of day placed Germany beyond the pale.


8 posted on 01/13/2020 1:58:48 AM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

They made the same arguments regarding money and personal property that was “sold” to Germany for pennies.

The only thing that has changed in Germany is they lost.


9 posted on 01/13/2020 4:38:18 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Netz
Ze’ev Jabotinsky (amongst others) as late as the late 1930’s of the coming Holocaust.

netz, I think you are missing part of this sentence and its meaning is unclear. Please clarify.

10 posted on 01/13/2020 4:54:44 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Netz
My maternal Grandparent's could, they sold thier business, and got out in 1937
11 posted on 01/13/2020 5:40:51 AM PST by cowboyusa (America Cowboy Up)
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To: Zhang Fei

Are they talking about those who are now citizens of Israel?


12 posted on 01/13/2020 6:30:16 AM PST by GingisK
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Sorry if I was not clear. Ze’ev Jabotinsky, Revisionist Zionist and very right wing (called a “Fascist” by Israel’s (then called the “Yishuv”) Lefty Communists) in Jews leaving the Lands outside of pre-State Israel and moving there to establish a state even against British Mandate rule.
He traveled to Poland, (he himself was from Odessa, Russia) in the years leading up to WWII. He told them to get out ASAP. They told him he was extremist and exaggerating.

His followers created the LEHI and STERN “gangs” that attacked the British in Palestine from 1946-48.

The most notable follower of Jabotinsky was PM Menachem Begin.


13 posted on 01/13/2020 6:31:17 AM PST by Netz ( and looking for a way ti IMPROVE mankind.i)
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To: Netz

Thanks for the clarification.


14 posted on 01/13/2020 6:43:11 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Zhang Fei
Why would any Jew, especially a descendant of someone murdered in the Holocaust, want German citizenship?
15 posted on 01/13/2020 6:48:50 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Modernism began two thousand years ago.)
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To: Netz

“What are they going to do? Kill all of us? — Jewish Dr. in the movie “Holocaust”


16 posted on 01/13/2020 7:48:17 AM PST by pabianice
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It's hard for me to imagine why a descendant would want German citizenship, unless there are legal or inheritance issues the article doesn't mention.

17 posted on 01/14/2020 4:52:30 AM PST by SJackson (blow in a dog’s face, he gets mad at you, car ride; he sticks his head out the window)
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It’s mainly for Israelis who desire an EU passport and don’t want harassment like the time I was sat in a closed room for 22 hours by the Muslim customs agent in Gatwick for the crime of traveling on an Israeli passport.


18 posted on 01/14/2020 5:20:23 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: pabianice

The best Holocaust film out there is a Hungarian film from a few years back (2005) called, “Fateless”. It puts “Schindler’s List” towards the bottom of film greats that depict the Nazi savagery of WWII. Worth searching for.


19 posted on 01/19/2020 5:08:53 AM PST by Netz ( and looking for a way ti IMPROVE mankind.i)
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To: SJackson

Hard for me too. Stockholm syndrome.


20 posted on 01/19/2020 9:13:52 AM PST by malach (We live in interesting times.)
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