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The United States Needs Better Data Immediately Before We Make Stupid Decisions About Coronavirus
The Federalist ^ | March 21, 2020 | Eline van den Broek-Altenburg and Adam Atherly

Posted on 03/21/2020 12:24:30 PM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Steve Van Doorn

I’m not here to defend Chiron, but they were purchased by Novartis in 2006. It could be that the purchase price was lower than it could have been due to negative past history.


21 posted on 03/21/2020 4:02:20 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Kaslin

From the point of each of these decisions and the implantation of these decisions takes about two weeks to see the results.


22 posted on 03/21/2020 4:29:15 PM PDT by oldenuff35 (-)
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To: Kaslin; All

It has to be proven but I suspect that of those Italian death reports a large number of them were Chinese workers which were not identified who came there to work in factories their commie masters were allowed to own by the Italian socialist government. By not identifying them as such, left the general impressions of rapid transmission of what I prefer to call CComWuVi (Chinese Communist Wuhan Virus). That promoted this panic of fear of immediate contagion we’re reacting to here. Background info
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3826897/posts#6

Lets take a look at what Singapore is doing posts 1 and6
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3826755/posts#1


23 posted on 03/21/2020 4:33:48 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (mosesdapoet aka L.J.Keslin posting here for the record hoping somebody might read and pass around)
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To: Kaslin

It has to be proven but I suspect that of those Italian death reports a large number of them were Chinese workers which were not identified who came there to work in factories their commie masters were allowed to own by the Italian socialist government. By not identifying them as such, left the general impressions of rapid transmission of what I prefer to call CComWuVi (Chinese Communist Wuhan Virus). That promoted this panic of fear of immediate contagion we’re reacting to here. Background info
http://www/freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3826897/posts#6

Lets take a look at what Singapore is doing posts 1 and6
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3826755/posts


24 posted on 03/21/2020 4:37:50 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (mosesdapoet aka L.J.Keslin posting here for the record hoping somebody might read and pass around)
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To: aposiopetic
Chiron was a vaccine company. The FDA and the British version of the FDA (Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency) revoked their license after they found this vaccine were killing people. They had no choice but o sell or go under in some way.

25 posted on 03/21/2020 4:42:34 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: mosesdapoet
...I suspect that of those Italian death reports a large number of them were Chinese workers which were not identified who came there to work in factories...

The median age of COVID-19 deaths in Italy is 80.5. Those aren't Chinese factory workers.

26 posted on 03/21/2020 4:46:28 PM PDT by semimojo
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To: Kaslin

The desires of Ms. van den Broek-Altenburg would only present fallacies in epidemiology. Her proposals would be irrelevant to the purpose.


27 posted on 03/21/2020 4:51:35 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: Kaslin

Analysis paralysis is not a key factor in Emergency Management.

Sometimes you need to make a call without all of the facts. Past experience and successful models are the best you can do.

Lots of people are counting raindrops, and they don’t seem to realize it’s raining.


28 posted on 03/21/2020 4:52:15 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Paladin2

Excellent


29 posted on 03/21/2020 5:49:54 PM PDT by gogeo (The left prides themselves on being tolerant, but they can't even be civil.)
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To: Kaslin

A general once told me that the way to win wars is to immediately use data that is 80% correct rather than wait for 100% correct data that may never come.


30 posted on 03/21/2020 9:19:43 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: ifinnegan

Exactly


31 posted on 03/21/2020 9:53:36 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: AndyTheBear

Funny. At my house when we see ants we don’t particularly care how many there are. In fact we have discovered that if you put the Boron down when you see one you never see very many after that.


32 posted on 03/22/2020 4:19:37 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: mdmathis6

There is a chart I have seen that charts # of deaths since 100 cases by day for each country. It reveals some very interesting things. I wish I could share it with you all but I am stuck at home with an IPad.


33 posted on 03/22/2020 4:22:46 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Forrest for the trees, counting raindrops. I like it.


34 posted on 03/22/2020 4:24:36 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: tomkat

Gosh - I took something different from the article...how childish of me.


35 posted on 03/22/2020 4:24:56 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: wastoute

The biggest thing I see are the in the various charts for the us is the larger number of active cases with only about 174 recoveries and 348 official deaths...we have 24,772 ongoing active cases and 708 of those are critical(in hospital on advanced ventilation)condition. There are a disheartening low numbers of totally recovered patients even from cases tested from March 8th(14 days ago). Now there were only 504 tested positive back with more tested each day so one would think more of those from the March 5 to the March 13 testing would show up in the totally recovered columns by now. Now increased testing increased in several scales of magnitude in the past week but those testing positive now would have been infected at least 5 to 10 days before. The newer tests are also very sensitive and can pick up rna samples of 6000 particles in a deciliter so one may be considered positive if exposed and developing in as little as 1-3 days now.

We should be seeing more USA recovered than more dead. We are not. It could be a lag in reporting total resolved cases in which recovery was the outcome. They(the authorities) appear more readily reporting deaths when they occur but feel they need to make sure a person is completely covid free before saying they are recovered.

Italy is interesting....they are finally starting to show more recoveries than deaths in terms of a curve. More added deaths daily but now we are seeing more added recoveries and the numbers of total recoveries vs total deaths has reversed with and acceleration of the curve upwards vs the more flattening curve of deaths...Italy has had a rough time.


36 posted on 03/22/2020 5:12:16 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: mdmathis6

Infected is days ahead of asymptomatic which is ahead of seriously ill which is ahead of “recovered” by weeks. The signal for “daily deaths” just emerged from the noise days ago. It won’t do that for recovered for at least a few days, probably at least a week.


37 posted on 03/22/2020 5:17:54 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: trebb

Gosh - and now I’ve had my daily dose of snark - thanks !
(contrary to FR tradition, I read the entire article yesterday ;-)


38 posted on 03/22/2020 5:18:39 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: wastoute

Well that is the question our society is struggling with....how much boron to put down without the suffocation of our nation into a despotic state and how many ants we can tolerate.


39 posted on 03/22/2020 5:23:25 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: mdmathis6

Agreed. We have become risk averse. IMHO because we are children who can’t be treated like adults. Adults understand how to evaluate risk and implement mediation strategies. Children whine about the government.


40 posted on 03/22/2020 5:50:22 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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